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Shotcam, good idea or bad idea?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Boba Fett, Feb 27, 2009.

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What do you think of the Shotcam?

  1. Good for hunting or the range. Bad for the legal side of home defense.

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  2. Good for hunting, the range, and legal side of home defense.

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    3.6%
  3. Not good for anything. All around waste of money and rail space.

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  4. I have more rail space than I know what to do with, I want one!

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  1. Boba Fett

    Boba Fett Member

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    Perusing Burris' website, I came across the Shotcam.

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    The application that caught my eye was:

    My opinion is, it could go both ways. I can see the footage being good for your defense and bad for your defense. Ultimately, I think it would cause people more legal problems than it would help.

    That and the darn think is terribly bulky looking on a pistol. Now, for their other applications, I think it might be nice. Mount it on the front of your AR-15 and have fun. Or mount it on your rifle when you go hunting and record you kill.

    So, what do you all think?
     
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  2. ThrottleJockey

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    Wow! I've never seen these. I think it could be a lot of fun for plinking with. I think it could go either way as a witness to a defensive shooting. If you are responsible in your decision to use deadly force, it can only serve to reinforce the fact that you did the right thing, on the other hand if you "freak out" or get scared and the shoot was questionable, it could hurt you. My only problem is how bulky it is. It seems as though a defense weapon would be nearly impossible to conceal with this on it. And in some places where printing can even get you in trouble, this just isn't even an option.
     
  3. Hungry Seagull

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    I wonder if that thing will ride well on a shotgun rail with the imagery "Right side up"

    I cannot imagine putting that on my M&P .45 I would need to be on the floor with a tac bipod deployed to hold it all steady.
     
  4. ThrottleJockey

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    It lists at $892, a bit restrictive for most of us, unless you know a wealthy individual that bought one and doesn't like it.

    Hey, that looks like a 90-two in the picture!
     
  5. Boba Fett

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    That was my first thought too. Then I started thinking civil cases. And I would think that any footage would just hurt you in such a case since the "lawyer" could twist the number of shots or your shot placement or whatever against you at that point. So the footage would just give them more to use against you was my final thought on it.
     
  6. Gunther

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    This is the new wave in Police work, spelled LIABILITY.The Tasers now have cameras attached, the patrol cars have cameras, this is one more tool for the industry to get rich off of, "the threat of the tort lawyers". When they get it miniturized enough it will gain a foothold as the industry standard and away you go!
     
  7. Boba Fett

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    Found it on ImpactGuns.com for $511...still a bit restrictive.

    But maybe not so much when you consider that they have to build a camera that can take the vibration and abuse of being on a firearm. Still...for that price it could be better than a 3.2 megapixel...


    EEP! :eek:

    I hadn't thought of that, but you are right...it is a very logical next step. So, in addition to serialized ammo and micro stamping and all the other BS they want to add, I can imagine something like a guide rod camera or something that you will be breaking the law if you remove or disable. And all your old guns will have to be retrofitted or be confiscated....

    hey...has anyone else noticed how slippery this slope is??


    *EDIT*
    Hey, now I think that one might be worth it...I mean, who wouldn't want TazerCam footage of the "Don't taze me bro" guy?? :D :p
     
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  8. Blakenzy

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    I think that the concept is great for police issue weapons (because they get drawn alot!), but the technology needs a bit more perfecting, mainly in the size/weight department. If dashboard cams in cruisers make sense, then this idea makes sense for uniforms on duty, just needs more streamlining. Perhaps a standalone camera could connect to a remote recording device on the belt via Bluetooth to reduce size.

    I wouldn't like to see it forced on all weapons, just as I wouldn't want dashboard cams forced on all vehicles.

    What effect could it have on training methods?

    Maybe it will further televise the shooting sports. It would be neat to watch IPSC matches from the muzzle POV...
     
  9. BillyBA

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    gun camera - does it come with an MP3 player ??

    It might be a useful tool for LEO , but for civilian use in my opinion , it's just another gadget that seems pretty much useless and a waste of money that I would prefer using to buy another fire arm or even a nice laser and lots of ammo with mullah left over ?
     
  10. X-Rap

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    For hunting it would be awesome. There are some I saw a Cabelas for much less but not as compact.
     
  11. LtShortcut

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    The camera is your property. There's nothing stopping you from looking at the photos before the police arrive.

    If you don't like the story they tell, take the camera off the gun and put it away.
     
  12. Hungry Seagull

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    Actually I believe IMHO that putting the gun camera away is bad advice.

    The entire house becomes a crime scene and forensics are going to go through everything. That camera and images on it becomes evidence.

    I liked a rather large gun cam I saw at a Ft Thompson some time ago and would not mind seeing what it would do. But once the initial oooh and ahhh wore off, I realized it's just a few too many switches to throw, more weight on the gun etc etc etc.

    Let the inside home survillence DVR recorder record the invasion and turn that over to the police and have it ready for your upcoming court.
     
  13. ThrottleJockey

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    "The camera is your property. There's nothing stopping you from looking at the photos before the police arrive.

    If you don't like the story they tell, take the camera off the gun and put it away."

    Until they arrest you, search you, impound your car, search it.....Also it doesn't appear to be a camera with a view finder. It looks to me like you would have to plug it into a computer and then view the video.
     
  14. 503glock

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    if you have them some one will ask did you have a shot cam, and you dont want to be in the place where you lie about any thing in a shooting. they will at that point twist every thing, then god help you . besides in a shooting the one truth is that your story will be the only story left.
     
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    Pretty cool, but i would not use it for anything more than plinking or maybe even recording your shooting of a match stage....
     
  16. Gamera

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    Ah yes, I can see it now:

    Knife wielding maniac is running towards you while yelling "I'M GONNA KILL YOU!"
    *you draw weapon/start recording, the perp stops* "Woah wait man I was ju- *BLAM*


    Now imagine all that happened within a matter of seconds. So even though you acted well within your rights to self defense, all the jury will see is this guys stopping and saying "woah wait man I ju" before you blew him away. Ok so maybe that's a bit of an exaggerated situation, but you get my drift.
     
  17. Duke of Doubt

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    Good God.

    "Mister [Smith], did you happen to make any digital, audio or visual recording of the events last All Saints Day?

    "You did? Can we see them?"

    "You didn't? WHY NOT?"

    No win. No tape. No way. No how.

    Doesn't mean it wasn't recorded, though. Audio, analog, most likely never needed.
     
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  18. LtShortcut

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    I was thinking of in a home. And police response here is about half-an hour.

    Why are you talking to the police without a lawyer?


    I'm being sarcastic about the camera on your weapon. I wouldn't put a camera on my weapon no way no how.

    What if your photo didn't get the guy's weapon in the shot? What if the photo snapped while he was rearing back to stab you and the photo made it look like you shot him in the back?

    Bad idea.
     
  19. ThrottleJockey

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    it records live action full motion video and audio, not just snapshots or stills.
     
  20. Halo is for Kids

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    Someday they'll be smaller, cheaper, and required.
     
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    Thanks to this technology, an incident that you had a split second to react to, will be played over and over, and debated for days in 'What If" questions in a Jury Deliberation room. :uhoh:

    I'd skip the "instant replay" for defense.
     
  22. Double Naught Spy

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    While I like the idea of cameras documenting police work, there is the inherent problem here of the camera really only seeing where the gun is pointed, not where the officer is looking. So being at low ready or suhl means the camera will miss potentially critical imagery.

    What does the holster look like for one of these things?

    In looking at the video from Stealth Cam, Epic cam, and other action cameras, I have to wonder about the imagery on this little camera. Most seem to have an overly wide field of view and so you lose signicant detail at distance, distance being 20-30 yards. So maybe it is good for typical handgun distances, it might not be all that helpful for shotgun or rifle distances.

    No doubt that part of the reason for this shortcoming is the low resolution...

    While maybe not bad for the type of camera that it is, it 640x480 resolution isn't really all that great as compared to your home digital video cameras.

    The 3.2 megapixel stills are also pretty low resolution.
     
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  23. Acera

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    In a shooting I want the only verbal description of the issue relayed to the police to come from me, through my lawyer. I don't want the bad guy to tell his story, nor do I want anything else for them to question my account of the events.

    Definitely not saying destroy or hide evidence, just limit what does not protect, or could potentially harm your side of the story.


    Would love to have one at the range to help teach shooters what they are doing wrong. Could be used to explain how flinching hurts accuracy, etc. Just like professional athletes use video to critique their performance.
     
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