I just received a 12 ga. Bernardelli Gamecock sxs double shotgun that was being sold on gundealersonline.com. The gun was advertised as in being "Perfect" condition and in a phone conversation, the seller assured me that the gun was as advertised. After receiving the gun, I noticed that there is a repaired dent in the left barrel and there are a number of small dents on the stock. Also, the head of the screw that fastens the forend latch to the forend is messed up. I have tried to contact the person that I bought the gun from but so far have not received a reply. Actually, the gun is very nice and I would like to keep it even though it has the barrel dent. However, because it is not as advertised, I feel justified in requesting compensation on the purchase price. So my question is: How much would the repaired dent detract from the the price of the gun. I feel in the neighbor hood of $200 or so. Am I being reasonable? The purchase price of the gun was $1170.00.
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Shotgun barrel dent vs. value
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musher
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A repaired dent in the barrel is a LONG way from perfect.
Condition is everything and the price always depends on condition. If you wouldn't have paid the 1170 if the gun had been described correctly, then you paid too much and should ask to have the price adjusted to the amount you would have been willing to pay.
If the seller doesn't want to do that, then send it back.
Condition is everything and the price always depends on condition. If you wouldn't have paid the 1170 if the gun had been described correctly, then you paid too much and should ask to have the price adjusted to the amount you would have been willing to pay.
If the seller doesn't want to do that, then send it back.
The seller has not been answering my phone calls or responding to my emails. I'll keep trying and I don't want to jump to conclusions but I think I'm getting shafted. Shipping a gun back without his approval is not like shipping back any other piece of merchandise. For one thing, my dealer will have to get involved and I paid with a money order. With a credit card purchase I would have some recourse in that the credit card company would debit his account and credit mine. This is one of the problems of dealing with people of unknown reputation. You have to put faith in their integrity. Some people have none.
Actually, this guy kinda screwed me on the shipping too. The agreed on price for the gun was $1200 and he'd pay shipping. Then he noticed that I live in Hawaii. Understandably, he wouldn't want to pay the full shipping to Hawaii because UPS and Fedex 2day runs around $60.00. I asked him what his shipping alowance was and he said $30.00. So I agreed to pay another $30.00 for shipping. Well, he ships it by USPS Priority with insurance and delivery confirmation. Postage was $24.95 along with delivery confiramtion and insurance so probably a total of $30.00. I emailed him about the shipping charges but no answer.
Actually, this guy kinda screwed me on the shipping too. The agreed on price for the gun was $1200 and he'd pay shipping. Then he noticed that I live in Hawaii. Understandably, he wouldn't want to pay the full shipping to Hawaii because UPS and Fedex 2day runs around $60.00. I asked him what his shipping alowance was and he said $30.00. So I agreed to pay another $30.00 for shipping. Well, he ships it by USPS Priority with insurance and delivery confirmation. Postage was $24.95 along with delivery confiramtion and insurance so probably a total of $30.00. I emailed him about the shipping charges but no answer.
According to the 2006 Standard Catalog of Firearms, the Bernardelli Uberto I Gamecock is listed at $950 in excellent condition. So getting a refund of a portion of the price would definitely be in order. Repaired dents to me put it into the VG condition area at $700. Keep after this guy.
I finally contacted the seller and as expected, he acted as if he didn't know about the dent. When he wanted to sell it to me he said he was the original owner so he had to know about the dent. The dent was experty repaired and touched up so you have to run your fingers over the spot or have a really close look to see it. It really is a nice shotgun and I want it so he agreed to send me a check for $150 to compensate for the dent. I'll be surprised if I receive a check from him.
evbutler462
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A shotgun with a dent in the barrel, in my opinion cannot repaired to operate safely. I have been tinkering with guns for over 50 years and a shotgun with a dented barrel goes into the parts bin. I would not attempt to shot it or allow anyone else to shoot it. The so-called repair will always leave a weak place in the barrel, subject to bursting. As one of the above writers stated, you were overcharged for this gun. No matter how pretty it is, if you attempt to sell it in the future, it will have very little value. That "repair" will stand out like a sore thumb. Don't believe me, take it to any gun store and ask what they will give you for it. If it was in perfect shape you would probably be offered around $700.00 for it. With the repaired dent, it is a parts gun, worth whatever someone will offer you for it. JMHO.
Well, gunsmiths, including the undersigned, have been removing shotgun barrel dents for years with no problems at all. I agree that a repaired dent removes the gun from the "perfect" category, but it is not going to cause a burst barrel at shotgun pressures.
Jim
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evbutler462 , Repairing a dent does not endanger the shotgun or anyone. Do you really work on double guns? I think not as industry standard is to fix dents, gheesh!
Perfect category? What has that got to do with gun condition? Either go by NRA standards or Bluebook Standards. Perfect isn’t in either and is a very bad description.
By the way catalogs for gun prices will be at least 1 year behind reality they are a guide only. If you don't think so I will buy many guns you own at book and royally screw you.
Don't like the gun send it back under a three day option. You didn't get that? Your own fault and you should stick with buying guns from a gunshop.
Buy one from me you get industry standard grading usually understated with the 3 day return. Try and negotiate less money and not send it back? No, I do not like blackmail. Send it back or keep it that is the conditions of the sale.
Perfect category? What has that got to do with gun condition? Either go by NRA standards or Bluebook Standards. Perfect isn’t in either and is a very bad description.
By the way catalogs for gun prices will be at least 1 year behind reality they are a guide only. If you don't think so I will buy many guns you own at book and royally screw you.
Don't like the gun send it back under a three day option. You didn't get that? Your own fault and you should stick with buying guns from a gunshop.
Buy one from me you get industry standard grading usually understated with the 3 day return. Try and negotiate less money and not send it back? No, I do not like blackmail. Send it back or keep it that is the conditions of the sale.
evbutler462
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Gentlemen, I stand corrected. I do not work on doubles. Way back when community colleges were being started they had a 17 week gunsmithing course. Rather tough but I was a lot younger back in those days. I agree that I have forgotten more of the training than I use. I am not a gunsmith. I am a collector. I took the course, enjoyed it, almost didn't pass it as I am not a machinist. One thing that stood out is that the instructors were adamant about dents in shotgun barrels. They wouldn't allow us to work on one due to "safety" concerns. That is where my info came from, though it appears to be in error.
Thank you for correcting me. I am old but not too old to learn.
Thank you for correcting me. I am old but not too old to learn.
The dent must have been a very small one to start with as the repair is quite inconspicuous. I found it while I was oiling the exterior of the barrel with a thin cloth. It really is a nice gun and I am satisfied with the deal. I've seen worse dents in other shotguns and have not heard of blowups that were attributable to small barrel dents
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