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Hi folks,

Would like to enter the wondeful kingdom of hunting and would like some advice. Is there a shotgun that will fit most of my hunting needs which primarily will be turkey and waterfowl for now. Maybe later I can do some big game stuff.


I know that most folks suggest having several firearms for the different hunts but if I buy more than one now my wife will have a heart attack.


Any help will be greatly appeciated. Thanks in advance!
 
Depends on your budget, and whether you want a pump or a semi-auto, but for my money you can't go wrong with a Remington 870 12-gauge.

Home defense, sporting clays, squirrel hunting, turkey hunting, duck hunting and deer hunting. You name it, an 870 will do it, and do it pretty well without spending a lot of money.

Another big plus with the 870's (for me anyway) is that they are so popular that there are a ton of accessories and aftermarket stuff available for them. Different barrels (rifled, smooth, long, short) different stocks, scope mounts, whatever. You can really customize an 870 to whatever you're doing without breaking the bank.
 
For shear versatility, it's almost impossible to beat a Remington 870 combo package. You'll get the a long(ish) tube for clays and birds, combined with a short rifle-sighted barrel for deer and other larger critters. I've got a bunch of shotguns, but could do everything with my 870 if I had to.
 
I had a Wingmaster (870 Remington) and didn't like it at all in the duck marsh. I shoot south paw, prefer the Mossberg's tang safety, but more than that, I had to dig a jammed loading gate out with a pocket knife more'n once due to a cold, numb finger trying to load the magazine. That gate would catch the tip of my thumb, okay in warm weather, but when it's numb it HURTS! If you don't get that shell in until it clicks and yank your thumb out, instant jam. There is no loading gate on the Mossberg 500 I have now. It's a rugged, reliable 12 gauge and I use it exclusively for ducks and geese. I hunt salt marshes and it has a little rust on it, but the camo finish hides it pretty well. I won't take a nice shotgun in the marsh around here. I ruined a nice double like that over the years. My Mossy has banged around in the bottom of boats, gotten mud all over it, survived the salt spray across the bay and the salt marshes for the last dozen years or better. The lack of anything in the way of the magazine means I don't have to take my gloves off to load it, too. That gate on the 870 would pinch the end of a glove, irritating as hell.

I own a semi auto, a Winchester M1400, for dove an other upland hunting. It's pretty and I don't take it in the marsh, but it sure soaks up the recoil. With heavy dove loads, it feels more like a 20 gauge on recoil. I have no pad on it and really don't need it. I put 3 1/2 boxes through it on a 3 day dove hunt recently and my shoulder was like new and ready for more while my friend's kid, who was hunting with a light single shot, was about to cry at the end of each day. :D The Mossy beats me up pretty good, but I don't shoot, but about half a box of 3" steel through it in a typical duck morning. It might get a little tough on a dove hunt, but for waterfowl it's no problem. It has a recoil pad and I'm usually wearing a heavy hunting coat except during early teal season. It ain't my shoulder that takes the hurt, though, it's my friggin' cheek! I need to play with drop on that stock by shimming or something.

Deer or other such game are not on my list of shotgun targets. That's why I own rifles and hunting handguns. When I hunt with a shotgun, the targets are flying. Well, I shot a turkey once, but other than that. :D Squirrel hunting with a shotgun is cheating. That's what .22 rifles and handguns are for. I have hunted rabbits with one. A pump will work there. Hunting with a good beagle or two is a total hoot! Rabbit hunting is an under-appreciated sport.

If your budget allows, boy, I really like the Browning BPS. It's the original Ithaca action, smoothest pump in history. It combines that with a tang safety, too. If I didn't care how much the salt water ate it, let's say I was filthy rich, I'd duck hunt with a Browning.
 
+1 on the Remington 870, but in truth you can't go wrong with any American-made pump shotgun. The BPS and Mossberg are both good guns, as is the Winchester. The Ithaca 37 is my personal favorite.
 
All good guns so far. As a duck hunter I will tell you a pump will give you a beating shooting mag. loads all day. An auto will absorb some recoil and make it more comfortable to shoot. I used my auto to turkey hunt too, and it still kicks hard with mag. turkey loads. Although I believe Benelli makes a pump with a new recoil pad system. Mossberg makes nice autos (and pumps) that aren't bank breaking and are reliable. Benelli is revered amongst those that have them if you do not mind spending 1k or more. Too many good guns to choose from :D
 
Thanks guys! It seems like the 870 is a favorite choice overall (here and in other readings I've done). Anyone had an experience with the Mossberg 535 ATS? These are very reasonably priced and have nice combos too.
 
My three choices in no particular order are

1) Rem 870

2) Rem 870

3) Rem 870

I've used mine for turkey, pheasant, quail, dove, geese, ducks and lots of deer. I worked in a gun shop and we'd have some (not a lot) of Mossbergs come back for work, but almost never an 870.

If you can't handle the recoil of the 870, add a really good (as in Decelerator or Limb Saver) pad.
 
Thanks guys! It seems like the 870 is a favorite choice overall (here and in other readings I've done). Anyone had an experience with the Mossberg 535 ATS? These are very reasonably priced and have nice combos too.

You mean the 835 ultimag? It's just the model 500 in long action, has a 3.5" chamber for the long 12 gauge shells that came out for shooting the big T and F steel shots on geese. I don't need no stinkin' ultimag, though. I shoot geese with Federal Tungsten/Iron 3" BB. Man, that stuff is better'n lead! It's magic, brings geese out of the stratosphere, well, okay, 50 yards anyway. I've done it and proven 'em! Steel BB are worthless past 35-40 yards. That was the whole reason for the 835's introduction, to offer more BIG shot that would carry farther, but the Tungsten Iron just flat outperforms steel, T or F no matter.

The trade off of the ultimag is they're heavy and muzzle heavy. Folks get 'em with shorter barrels to help compensate for the weight, but heck, with a 3.5", you need the weight. But, this makes the gun pretty much a goose/duck gun. It ain't exactly the ticket for quail over dogs or any clay games. It'll do doves, but it just isn't quick enough for flushing birds. I mean, you could use it, just it's not the optimum weight and balance for such things. If I did a lot of quail hunting, I'd get an O/U, though. :D

The Federal Tungsten/Iron is expensive, but not near as bad as Remington heavy shot. I'm sure it's gone up now, but a few years ago when Remington Heavy Shot was running $20 a box of ten, Federal Tungsten Iron was about $13 a box of ten. Now, compared to steel that's pretty expensive. I still use steel over decoys on ducks, but the cost of the Tungsten Iron is worth it to me on geese considering how well they work.

Or, maybe I'm a duffus and haven't heard of the Mossberg 535 ATS yet. I don't read the gun rags much anymore. Most of 'em are so infatuated with semi auto handguns anymore, I mean, that's cool, too, just get tired of reading about the latest H&K with the tacticool rails all over it.
 
I agree with you on thegun mags: a lot of crap in'em. Found about the 535 ATS from the Mossberg site. This is their advertising pitch:

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=11&section=products



I
celebrate all the major holidays.
Opening day duck. Opening day turkey.
Opening day deer.

The new 535 ATS™ marks a new era for Mossberg® pump action shotguns. Influenced by the success of the 3" chambered 500® and the 3-1/2" chambered 835®, this shotgun brings the best attributes of both models, delivering outstanding versatility without compromising on performance.

The 535's "All Terrain" flexibility is best appreciated in the field. It's chambered to handle 12 gauge, 2 3/4", 3", and even 3 1/2" magnum loads, for maximum stopping power. The Uni-line™ receiver design assists in fast target acquisition. With the Trophy Slugster™ cantilevered scope mount system, barrels can be swapped without disturbing a well-sighted scope. The sleek barrel profile, coupled with a shortened magazine tube, provides a comfortable balance and swing. A wide range of stock and barrel configurations are also available.

How's that for versatile?

Rugged and reliable, the 535 ATS™ is the ultimate, all-around pump gun, loaded with features usually found on shotguns costing much more, all built into a lightweight design that's easy to carry into the field. That's good, when you figure all you'll be carrying out.

The 535 ATS™ is offered in a complete line of field, turkey, waterfowl, Slugster® and combo models.
 
Go for the 535

I bought the 535 ATS Combo last winter and absolutely love the gun. Shot my first turkey ever with the gun last spring at 40 paces. I paid $300 for the slug barrel/turkey combo at Gander. The ad from Mossberg is pretty much right on. I believe the gun is basically a 500 with a 3 1/2" chamber. It will really belt you when you touch her off with a big magnum load as it is a light gun but that's the reason I bought it. If recoil is an issue, go with the 835 which is back-bored, ported, and heavier--should tame the 3 1/2" loads. I also own an 870--can't go wrong there either.
 
Sounds like a switch barrel combo version of the 835 Ultimag and what I said for the 835 should be applicable for the scatter barrel part of the combo. I really have little use for the 3.5" 12 gauge option, but it would add some buckshot in the pattern to a home defense gun, if they sell 3.5" buckshot loads, don't know, never looked.
 
I have no experience with Mossberg 535, I do own 2 Mossberg 500's. I am not certain the fascination with 870's as the two are really interchangeable for the applications you originally mentioned.
1, They are in the same price range.
2, Common as common can be, used gun racks are full of good examples of each model, for again a similar price.
3, Accessories from the factory and aftermarket abound for either one. ( If you want to add a slug barrel you can later ) Many times you can find a Combo that will have a bird barrel and a slug barrel for a package price.
I have shot both and simply prefer the 500. Don't feel bad if you do too despite all the 870 is the only one to own opinions given to you.
 
Get a Mossberg 500 (my favorite), or a Remington 870, or a Winchester 1100(?).

Buy barrels as needed for various purposes, from HD to deer, and any manner of small game in between.

Should be able to pick up a GOOD used one for $125-150 (but a new one is only ~200. I think they sell a "combo" with a "bird" barrel, and slug barrel for under $300. That would take care of many of your need right there.
 
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Get a Mossberg 500 (my favorite), or a Remington 870, or a Winchester 1100(?).

The Winchester would be a M1300.

You just can't really go wrong with a US made pump, even the cheapo Mossy line of "Maverick", basically just a Mossberg. They're all good guns. I prefer my Mossberg for waterfowl for the reasons given above. It's been shooting ducks for over a decade now and it took over duties from a 30 year old Mossy I had before it. I just got home from a hunt this morning. I also have a Winchester M1400 semi auto gas operated that is a sweet, sweet shootin' gun, but it don't have a 3 inch chamber. Still a good duck gun, but the Mossberg is the choice for geese and ducks just because I don't wanna mess up the Winchester's looks. The Mossy has a rugged OEM Mossberg camo finish. It's a duck death machine.:D I take my Winchester for doves or shooting country doubles shoots with the gun club. Its main advantaged is it's so soft on the shoulder, like shooting a 20 gauge with Winchester superspeed dove loads. I ain't partin' with either one of my 12s or my old side by side, a Spanish built gun.
 
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/index.tpl


This gun uses the same principal as the benelli shotguns the "inertia driven" that benelli touts. The stoeger, benelli and beretta brands are all owned by the same company. I have a stoeger 2000 and it is a great shotgun for the money. I have had mine for 3 years and it has never jammed ever. They did an article in field and stream last year about these and they have a lower return for service rate than the benelli and they are a third the price.
 
for years the remington 870 guys would hate on me for prefering the mossberg 500. my opinion has been that as far as quality goes they are equal, and the differences are location of the controls. i hear the older 870's didnt rattle like the mossberg 500 but the mossbergs are fixable with a little felt and some superglue. i went and handled a 870 recently and it rattled as bad as mossberg. so far i had regarded them as equals, until now.

i found out about a serious shortcomming(in my mind anyway) of the remington 870. the magazine tube is not removable. you must have the factory replace it if it gets damaged. for mossberg 500 you can unscrew the tube and its no big deal whatsoever. switching the 5 shot tube for the 8 shot is easy and all it requires is a barrel to match the tube length. barrels for mossberg are cheaper on ebay than remington 870.


so, as far as im concerned, the mossberg and the remington are different but equal, exept you trade the ability to work on it yourself, for the convenience of not having different barrels for different magazine capacity.

id rather have spare parts kicking around, than have to ship my receiver off to the factory if i drop it and dent somthing.
 
Pumpkinheaver, thanks for that info! That looks like a nice shotgun. A hunting buddy I hunted with this morning has a Benelli and loves it, but GOD it's expensive! I'm going to check in to the Stoeger 2000.

Interesting about the Mossberg magazine tube and a definite plus. I've never damaged a magazine tube, but I reckon it could happen.
 
Of course I am going to give another nod to the Remington 870. It has been my shotgun of choice for years, I recently go t an early '50's model that on its first hunt successfully harvested 1 rabbit, 1 duck, 1 goose and 6 quail. Not bad for a 50 year old gun with 2 3/4" shells. Mossbergs are good guns too, A buddy of mine had an ancient one that broke one with a Nitro Magnum in it...but it was only a $20 fix. Not bad. I say go down to the gun store and feel them out. I like the feel of the 870, for me it is perfect. The Mossberg feels cheap, clunky and loose. But it is by no means a bad gun, just not a gun for me.
 
i'm super new to shooting shotguns and i went to academy picked up a moss maverick 12gauge. i'm going shoot tomorrow i'm so freaking pumped about it. i got a limbsaver . i picked up some tips from this site about how to cheaply weigh down the butt of the gun and i'm ready to go. it may be hard to get to sleeep tonight i'm so pupmed about it. bringing my lab out because he's going to be my partner come next duck season.
 
1187

Rem.1187,3inchmag,will handle ligh loads,21inch back-bored barrel,screw-in chokes,full factory marsh grass camo.
Covers all bases,without having to compromise on anything.
Just my .o2 worth.I have several others,but this one seems to be the go-to weapon.

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I would go for a semi that's 3" capable if budget allows. Most are gonna/should run over $500 if your lookin for new. Then again, it is hard to beat a 870 for most things. Turkey and duck loads are gonna make you sore quick out of a light pump gun. Browning silver, remmy 11-87 are good choices.
 
Great suggestions from all of you. It is appreciated!

In regard to the Stoeger, are there barrells, parts, etc available for them?
 
Boring...

...I know, but I'm throwing my hat in the ring for the 870 combo. Bought mine for $200-something over 10 years ago. 3" chamber and cheap, readily available choke tubes mean you can hunt any fowl or furry critter on Earth. My 20" fully rifled slug barrel has taken deer at distances I probably can't relate without getting yelled at, as well as wild boar. Never had one problem with it in all this time. These guys are steering you right; if you find something you like better, try it.
 
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