Shotguns 4 everybody ?

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Bagheera

If recoil and over penetration is a concern with 12 gauge shotshells would a 20 gauge shotgun be available to you in France? I have a Winchester Model 1300 20 gauge with an 18" barrel that I occasionally use for home defense. You can get No.2 or No.3 Buckshot (Federal also makes a Personal Defense load No.4 Buckshot with 24 .24 caliber pellets at 1100 FPS), that will get the job done.

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Surely will,Yeah available but RARE..
rare as a matter of fact.
But U right, I thought about it,
A lot actually,studied it,watched Paul s videos on YouTube etc..
And yes
obviously,20 gauge is an ideal solution to eliminate recoil n bad guys at the same time..:)
But I m gonna have to dig or order one specially..
more expensive and less available
Than a mav 88, moss 500 or 870 remmy..
Knowing that the 88 is 500$ here.
Thus my desire to go along with
The classic..
I selected training slugs, lighter loads -still a relevant1200fps- ( if I need more than 3 buckshot) n for the 3 first rounds of bucks I'm still thinking..
But u making me wander here.o_O

:cool:
 
Just double checked.
Only available is the 870..
Prices are nuts.
It costs 800 € minimum..
850$.
Ah heeeeell no

Still can't believe I'm in a country that's #2 on planet scale on selling weapons everywhere 3rd nuke power in the world,
And I can't get more than a 20 gauge shotgun that cost almost a grand..
C est n importe quoi la France
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This thread is interesting. I just read it backwords this time to get a better feel here.

Familiarize yourself with as many guns you can at every opportunity. No matter the gun, no matter the conditions, take advantage of all chances to operate and fire as many guns as you can, hunting or otherwise.

No I don't think the 12 gage is too much for the average and responsible person to handle. It does recoil but you will not notice it because your use to it, from previous experiences, and it becomes a non issue. It's not like your going to shoot 100 rounds in an SD situation.

The biggest concern, more than gun and ammo choice, are your local, state, and federal laws. These are vague at best to Americans, so in the end, the responsibility falls to the OP to either work within these confines or work to change them.

Now back to guns and ammo. The maverick 88 is a fine gun. Frankly, the gage isn't as important as just having a good gun you're familiar with. Soon you'll find that ammo cost will exceed the cost of any gun within a year or so. Believe me. I like shorter stocks on HD guns and I don't like hanging things on them because everyone else does. What works for some may not work for OP. Sooo, try not to overthink this. Buy a gun. Use it... try to wear it out and try some more. "Dry drills" are good too but nothing takes the place of shooting your chosen gun.
 
Bagheera said:
Agreed,
But the dilemma is loss of stopping power under a 0 buckshot..
Birdshots out of question so probably the lightest buck load..

Anybody got a # of light but powerful buckshot?
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#1 buck hits plenty hard. #4 ain't bad either. Basically any buckshot will have extremely lethal effects at any home defense ranges (I don't think there's any spot in my house where I'd have a shot further than ~12 yards.

For safety - you don't want the first time you need to use the gun to be a trial by fire moment, but you also don't need to do weekly drills either.

Get the gun, take it to a range, and thoroughly familiarize yourself with how it works. After that just make sure you shoot a bit every now and then. At least once a year I'd say. As to recoil honestly unless you're pretty, um, wimpy - the recoil from a 2 3/4" shell won't bother you. I was shooting 20ga 3" buckshot loads when I was 9 years old . . .
 
bagheera, I think that dry drills are fine, but it would be a good idea to actually shoot the gun. If that means going out to the forest, so be it. You are thinking about self defense, so we are talking about 10 meter type distances, tops. Take a few cardboard boxes out into the forest, pace off 10 meters, and shoot at them with your chosen defense loads. You will get a sense of things pretty quickly. Maybe take up hunting if it is a possibility and you will get used to shooting pretty quickly. I use a long barrel Maverick 88 for waterfowl and jackrabbits, so there is no reason you cannot use it for both home defense and hunting. If you are chasing geese and ducks, goose loads would make a perfectly reasonable defense load at short range.

As for recoil, I would not give it a lot of thought or worry. I am far from a recoil fan. While I have not shot at an intruder (thank God), I have made shots on game that took me days of either sitting in a blind or humping around over mountains and valleys with high powered rifles that I find painful and unpleasant to shoot at the range when target shooting. I can't recall feeling any recoil at all from any of those shots (including four shots in quick succession with a 30-06, way more recoil than a 12 gauge to my feeling). I was so keyed up about making the shot that I must have just absorbed the hits without noticing. I have to believe a self defense situation would be similar.
 
Bagheera said:
Must? Yes it is the question here.:)

Getting a mav 88 soon,and it's been a while a didn't shoot a 12, so even tho I ll have dry drills at home,in case of emergency would the recoil at 3 am in a situation be hard to handle..
Also I live in France,clubs usually ban shotgun firing:what:..
, should have stayed in The US:cool:
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Is there a hunting club you could join? Hunting pheasants or wild boar would give you some trigger time, and some friends to shoot with.
 
Bagheera said:
Just double checked.
Only available is the 870..
Prices are nuts.
It costs 800 € minimum..
850$.
Ah heeeeell no

Still can't believe I'm in a country that's #2 on planet scale on selling weapons everywhere 3rd nuke power in the world,
And I can't get more than a 20 gauge shotgun that cost almost a grand..
C est n importe quoi la France
:scrutiny::rofl:
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Spain, and Belgium is loaded with double barreled shotguns, so is Italy. Do they import at all? A good used double might be a better deal.
 
An imported double, even used, in the same price range as a pump would probably not be near as good in quality I’d imagine.
 
Thanks for all your advices guys.
Gotta think all this through n through..
Tho,
I wouldn't trust a used shotgun..
But mostly it's around 3/400€..
Often without the ejector
If I go 4 a ©© I ll probably go with a Baikal,they
export doubles for 400/450€ but
Hey..
A 88 is 450.So I d rather have 5/6 cartridges than 2..
Also made in USA : )
 
Yeah, it seems like..
When it comes to booze n guns Russians don't mess around neither:D..
I ve been lurking at their mp semi auto in 12 but legally I'd have to keep the Barrel too long to be practical in HD..
 
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