Shotguns and Rifles

[dog55]

I just joined THR and in less than a day found one of my 2 pistols is a S&W 38 Victory Model circa 1942. Impressive!

I also inherited 6 other older guns (all probably pre 65 or so). I would be interested in any and all comments as to condition, missing info, potential worth. I believe the Model 12 and the Model 63 could be quite valuable.

Smith and Wesson Victory Model 38 Special Probably made Feb 1942 due to medallion handles sn V88607

Sterling Model 400 Mark II .380 cal D/A Arms Stainless sn G53818

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Winchester Standard Model 63 semi-auto .22 long rifle with scope sn 112xxxA

Remington Model 511 Scoremaster bolt action .22 short,long or long rifle sn 76xx

Fabrica de Armas Oviedo (mod to .308 cal) bolt action rifle sn Don't know where to look

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Winchester Standard Model 12 20 ga pump 28" full choke barrel 2-3/4" chamber Made in 1956

Browning Light 12 Auto 5 12 ga 2-3/4" chamber with poly choke Belgium sn 8G25xxx

Savage Fox Model B double barrel 20 ga 2-3/4" chamber sn Do not know where to look

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Again, any ideas as to apparent worth, special things about, etc. would be much appreciated.

 

[dog55]

It looks like the Remington 511 Scoremaster is a from the 1st year of manufacture in 1939.
The Browning Auto 5 is a 1958 Liteweight (8G).

 

[rcmodel]

You can do all the leg work yourself.

Look them up on the auction sites like Auctionarms.com, Gunbroker.com, Gunsamerica.com, etc. and see what identical guns in similiar condition to yours are selling for.

Too much work for me to do them all for you!!

rc

 

[dog55]

Understood. I just cannot judge quality of condition, and I realize a few pics are not sufficient.

Two days ago I went to a local shop where they said maybe the mid $2000 range for the whole bunch. Optimistic values from Gunbrokers puts them at $4000.

I guess I am wondering the right approach at getting the fair value a large gunshop ought to offer. Can the Gun Traders Guide 32 ed get me solid values for each gun?

Thanks, and I do not mean to put anyone out, just soaking up bits of gun valuing know how. The money will go to back to my mother.

 

[rcmodel]

A gunshop will only offer you 25% to 50% tops of fair retail value they can sell it for.
Lower on hard to sell guns, higher on collectible guns they can move immediately for big bucks.
They are in business to make enough money to stay in business.
Not buy your guns at retail prices.

The other thing you could try is approach them about putting the guns on consignment.
They have no cash outlay, sell your guns for you, do the necessary paperwork, and keep a certain percentage of the sale price.
I think that's generally more fair to everyone.

The risk is, they file for bankruptcy, lock the doors, and you can't get your guns or money back.
Saw that happen to a friend once.

The Gun Traders Guide will get you in the ball park and explain figuring out condition.
Then the problem is finding a buyer who wants the gun and will pay your asking price for it.

rc

 

[dog55]

I debated whether I should intro each piece as a separate thread. It might have been better. I suppose my main concern is with the wide range of values in the two most valuable guns, the Two Winchesters.

Especially for the Winchester Standard Model 12 20 ga pump w/ 28" full choke barrel, I wonder where mine 'might' fall between a retail of $600-1400 as indicated at gunbrokers.com? This is actually my gun, as my father wanted me to have a classic, but I would rather lump it with the others and get more for my mother. I am not a collector type, I guess.

 

[Fuller Malarky]

Thanks for the thread dog55. I can't help with your questions of value, as so much of value hinges on condition, market, region, and venue of sale. I only want to remark that the shotguns, model 12, Browning lightweight and the double are the same models and about the same vintage as the shotguns my father used for bird hunting. My heart fluttered when I opened the images. The shotguns went to my brother when our father passed. I put some numbers on them for insurance purposes some years ago, although I have no idea of the validity of the numbers today. I get a headache thinking about what I have listed and what I NEED to get listed for insurance purposes.

Best of luck in pursuing the information you are looking for, and I'll be following with interest.

 

[dog55]

Fuller

It seems my dad got his guns between 1939 and 1965. I vaguely remember some trading for the pistols, but I am not sure - too long ago and I was young. All but the Fabrica were original purchases, I am pretty sure. It looks like her covered his bases with a gun for each type use. Thing is, I don't recall him using 'em much.

 

[dog55]

FWIW

A friend wko knows some about guns saw them today and was impressed at their condition - I am no expert, but they do look very clean and well cared for. (There are two clraning kits in the ammo storage area of the guncase.)

 

[GCBurner]

There were some Spanish 1916 .308 Mauser conversions at a recent gun show listed at $169. They looked like nice, handy carbines, but I wouldn't shoot hot NATO 7.62 ammo in them; they were rebarreled from Model 1893 7x57mm Mausers for use by the Guardia Civil national police, and used a lower pressure .308 loading made for the Spanish CETME, I believe.

 

[Jim K]

Actually, the commercial .308 Winchester load is hotter than the 7.62 NATO loading, but I recommend against shooting either in that old Spanish Mauser. It was originally in 7x57 Mauser with a pressure in the 40-45,000 psi range, well under the pressure levels of either of the cartridges that can now be fired in it.

Jim