Should I Inform My Employer That I CC?

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Your employer has a right to know if you're carrying a gun during the course of company business. He could be held liable if you had a ND or...
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He can also be held liable if you accidentally stab someone, or run them over, or drop something heavy on someone, or .....there are many hypotheticals that can occur, some very strange and random.....his insurance should cover them. If firearms affected his coverage, he'd probably have a policy stating so either way.

I really dont understand why things are so different regarding 'guns,' and why the assumption is that ...even we here....seem to consider them 'bad.'
 
If there is no stated policy then carry. The only reason you are worried is because you know the guy. If you worked as auditor 303 at Blanchard and Sullivan accounting would it matter?

You have to keep business and personal seperate. If there is no stated rule against it in the SOPs or GOs then don't worry about it.
 
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Because he's a grown man not a little kid anymore, if your going to be man enough to carry then be man enough to find out from your boss if its ok. I would ask him while I was not carring, all the boss can say is, no it's not or yes it is ok for him to carry on the job. The op already knows what the right thing to do is or he wouldn't be here asking what he should do.
 
Because he's a grown man not a little kid anymore, if your going to be man enough to carry then be man enough to find out from your boss if its ok. I would ask him while I was not carring, all the boss can say is, no it's not or yes it is ok for him to carry on the job. The op already knows what the right thing to do is or he wouldn't be here asking what he should do.
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Pretty loaded statement. If you're going to be "man enough" to carry, you should be "man enough" to go ask permission? How about you should be "man enough" not to need to ask anyone what they think of it?

The idea that anyone who bothers to ask others how to handle a situation must already know the answer seems absurd on its face.
 
Because he's a grown man not a little kid anymore, if your going to be man enough to carry then be man enough to find out from your boss if its ok. I would ask him while I was not carring, all the boss can say is, no it's not or yes it is ok for him to carry on the job. The op already knows what the right thing to do is or he wouldn't be here asking what he should do.
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As a grown man, he shouldn't need to ask permission on exercising his right to carry. As a grown man, he shouldn't need to announce that he is exercising any right as he is exercising said right.

I carry where legal, period. I don't announce it or ask permission. It is no different with an employer. I've always worked for companies with well laid out policies. If carrying isn't specifically forbade, then I am within my legal right to do so without having to ask for permission. If management disapproves, they should write a policy.

The fact that his FIL is his boss changes a few things. But after reviewing the situation, I'd stick with concealed means concealed. Sam's quote about forgiveness being easier to obtain than permission seems to apply here.
 
(That was Owen's. I just suggested that asking forgiveness after a self-defense incident was preferrable to having your wife mourn your untimely death.)
 
Man, I haven't been pulled over or had an interaction with LE for over 15 years and I commute 110 miles round trip every day during the week plus some some driving at work. I live way out, closest major grocery store is 15 miles away in Fernley. I'd just keep quite about it and deal with it if it ever comes up.
 
There's a conflict between 2 opposing priorities:

The first is that you've already been carrying for a length of time for the defense of yourself and others should the need arise. So you have the experience of what you've been doing.

The second is that you're concerned about whether that's going to impact your relationship with your FIL, your job and your future financial well-being.

You've stated that the conflict can't be resolved without jeopardizing one or the other and that now you need to decide what you should do.

So now you need to figure out which priority is more important to you. You're here, you know why you carry and what your legal rights are. You know whether your gun interferes with your job or not, and with your future relationship.
Have you talked this over with your wife?
What did she recommend that you do?
Either a person feels like they need to carry or they don't.
Carrying might be more important to you and it might not.
And your future job might depend on it and it might not.

I don't think that you should flip a coin to decide.
I think that you should ask yourself if you really enjoy carrying, if you really feel safer when carrying on the job, and if you really prefer to continue carrying while on the job or not.

No one can resolve that conflict for you but you.
It's totally personal preference whether it's worth it to continue carrying on the job or not.
I don't know how much of your financial future is at stake or not.
You might not really know yourself.
But you should decide based on your true feelings about carrying and not as much about what could happen to your financial future.

One's life and limb and how far one wants to go to protect it on a daily basis while working is the first question to consider.
Then the financial future is considered next.
One must be ranked before another.
It just like the dichotomy of do I go with my head or with my heart?
If you go with your head and your heart aches, then you'd be better off following you heart.
But if you only have a little headache, then maybe it's not such a big deal.
But that's what it appears to be your burden to resolve.
Whatever you do, just make sure that you feel good doing it.
If it doesn't feel good then something is wrong with the logic of the decision. :)
 
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There have been some very good points made from both sides here. However, I would start looking for another job while continuing to work and carry. I certainly would not want to work for my father in law as that mixes business and personal life. It is a lot easier to get a job when you have a job.

As one who carried, and continues to carry while working, that would be my advice to you. Don't say anything about it, but always have a back up plan if something bad happens (which is why you should be looking for another job.)
 
It is a company vehicle, and I am on the clock, so I feel like I should respect his wishes. However, there is no company policy regarding firearms, so I'm not doing anything wrong.
And NC we must inform.
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So what kind of business is this?

Are you stepping onto the customers private property while carrying a concealed weapon?

If the answer is yes, I think you have a responsibility to ask your boss (regardless of whether of not he's your FIL) if it's copacetic or not. And I suspect you already know what the answer is going to be.

As a grown man, he shouldn't need to ask permission on exercising his right to carry. As a grown man, he shouldn't need to announce that he is exercising any right as he is exercising said right.
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If you carried concealed onto a customers private property / place of business and are made, and the customer raises a stink and takes their business somewhere else, the question will change to whether or not you can carry while standing in the unemployment line.

But it's not just your livelihood that your messing around with.
 
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If you are legally licensed and following the law, I would not bring up carrying a handgun to your employer if you are carrying the handgun to work. Nothing good can come out of that. It is best to keep that a secret that only you know about. Concealed well works best in many ways.

I work for myself and wouldn't tell customers/clients when I go in their businesses or homes and I carry a gun all the time. What is hidden on me is my business. A snub or little 32/380 automatic fits right in for carrying for work protection.

Sorry didn't see you were working for family when I first read this. That adds another element. Carrying is a personal call you've got to make. In some states, you can't get unemployment if you are fired for some reasons, like you get fired because you violated policies but were still following the law. Say they have a 'no gun' policy at your work, your boss sees you with a gun, fires you for carrying a gun when boss says you can't, then you have a tough time getting unemployment.
On the flip side, it is hard to work if you are seriously hurt or killed by a criminal! That's why I said to conceal a small handgun well and don't tell anyone and honestly don't talk about guns at all at work or gun politics. It might be ok to be a hunter but don't make folks think you are carrying.
 
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I think he may be of the opinion, as a highly conservative Christian, that one should never take the life of another human being, even to save your own life or a family member's
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Why do you think he believes that?

I've read of a few liberal Christian groups that hold such beliefs, but I'm not aware of any conservative groups that feel the same. They may exist, but I would think it's a rarity.

One conservative Christian I grew up with shot a crackhead multiple times defending his family. I can't think of a Christian friend who would not.
 
dodgensince74 said:
Because he's a grown man not a little kid anymore, if your going to be man enough to carry then be man enough to find out from your boss if its ok. I would ask him while I was not carring, all the boss can say is, no it's not or yes it is ok for him to carry on the job. The op already knows what the right thing to do is or he wouldn't be here asking what he should do.
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That's fine if that's the way you think.

I personally dont get it (altho I know alot of anti-gun people feel that guns are bad).

I do not assume that guns are bad or that people are automatically against them. Also, because I'm within the law carrying it, and know of no employer-based regulations...why would I assume it's BAD????? It's a *right *(unless specified otherwise)....why should it be perceived as BAD?

I do not get that.

Why is it not ok? If he had insurance requirements re: firearms, likely he'd have policies supporting that.
 
Yes, I think you do. Ethically you must tell him and then abide by his wishes while working. It's his business, his vehicle, his liability, his risk, you are his agent, and he has the right to make an informed decision. He's been remiss to not adopt a formal policy, but that really doesn't change anything.

If he says no, then you have to make a decision to be unarmed during work hours or find another job.
 
gbw said:
Yes, I think you do. Ethically you must tell him and then abide by his wishes while working. It's his business, his vehicle, his liability, his risk, you are his agent, and he has the right to make an informed decision. He's been remiss to not adopt a formal policy, but that really doesn't change anything.

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Can you explain why? He has no policy and you have a CC permit that means a) 'concealed' and b) you may exercise that right anywhere the law allows.

Ethically, I would feel that I dont have to tell him. You do, can you explain why?

It seems to imply carrying a gun is wrong, or carrying concealed is wrong. Or that we're doing something wrong. That's the part I dont get. Apologies if I'm putting words in your mouth, your view may be something different.
 
gbw said:
Yes, I think you do. Ethically you must tell him and then abide by his wishes while working. It's his business, his vehicle, his liability, his risk, you are his agent, and he has the right to make an informed decision. He's been remiss to not adopt a formal policy, but that really doesn't change anything.

If he says no, then you have to make a decision to be unarmed during work hours or find another job.
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He has absolutely no ethical imperative to tell his boss (or his FIL) that he is carrying. The right to keep and bare arms is a fundamental right. He does not have to tell the boss any more than he has to tell his boss he voted or who he voted for.

Carrying a gun puts his boss/fil at no more risk than his driving the company vehicle. In fact there is a better chance that he will hurt somebody with the car than with his gun. If he keeps a small .32 tucked away in a pocket holster the chances of losing a client are next to nill. If he hasn't told his fil I am sure he is smart enough not to blab about it to clients. So, they will never know.

Most importantly though, it is the duty of the property/business owner to tell you when they don't want guns around. If CCH holders had to stop and ask every property owner for permission it would cause an impediment to carrying by adding an excessive hinderance to acomplishing everyday task.

If a store isn't posted do you ask to speak to the manager on duty? Do you ask him if it is acceptable to carry? No you don't. We expect the owners to tell us when they don't want us to carry. It is the same in most social interactions. There is a basic set of guidlines people are expected to follow (the social contract) past that it is up to the other person to tell us what guidlines they have. It is their duty to tell us when they feel they have been offended or transgressed against.
 
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Why don't you just tell him you would like to carry? Overlook the fact you have been carrying and make it look like you're being up front? Of course, heaven help you if he already figured out you were carrying and just didn't say anything.

A far as being a conservative (or any other kind of) Christian, a lot has been made of Jesus and the Disciples' swords. Whatever Jesus may or may not have said, the fact remains that the Bible says the Disciples were, in fact, armed and Jesus seemed to be okay with it. He got upset with Peter over using his sword but we don't know if it was in that particular instance or as a more general rule. Jesus just told Peter to put the sword away and healed the servant's ear.

I only bring that up to point out that Christians have many views on weapons for self-defense, and it's unwise to pre-judge a person until you know more about their personal faith.
 
Well said, MikeNice.

Anyway, your CHP is linked to your driver's license. So, if you get stopped, you either have to tell the officer that you have your CHP and you're not armed, or, the officer will return from his car and, if he's nice guy in a good mood, say something like "I noticed you have your CHP, are you armed at the moment?" If they are likely to hold the firearm for their safety, he could come back with a completely different attitude...

Weather you are armed at the time of the stop or not, if you even get stopped, the cat is coming out of the bag.

So, here is what I would change if I were in your situation:
Nothing. I would continue to carry, and leave my boss out of the loop.
 
Zach S, like I wrote, I've been stopped 3 times (twice, 2 days in a row, for a headlight out & once for overdue tabs) since having my permit and not once did the officer mention my CPL, which does show up when they run my plates.

(One did however, nod at my hands which remained on the steering wheel, say thanks. But that's all, just 'thanks.')
 
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