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"Show me a carbine with real power and...."

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Chuck R., Sep 7, 2022.

  1. Shanghai McCoy

    Shanghai McCoy Member

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    I'll loan you my Woolrich red plaid coat and my Stormy Kromer hat if you'd rather save some money. :)
    If they'll fit you... ;)
     
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  2. MachIVshooter

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    Very nice! Never understood why the .350 didn't enjoy more popularity, it's an excellent hog round, but also any other big, tough game at reasonable ranges. Not quite the sledgehammer my .375 RUM is, nor as ranged as the 8mm mag, but I would confidently pursue any game on this continent with it.

    A good bit heavier than your reworked bruiser, but I love my 673 in .350 RM, and it's actually pretty mild mannered with the can, feels about like a bare muzzle .30-06 sporter, and totally comfortable outdoors without ear pro.

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  3. Archie

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    I suggest we agree on what constitutes 'power'.
    I suggest a carbine is a reasonably light, easily handled (probably short) and fast to aim and fire at the appropriate time.
    Power is the force needed to harvest game at 'reasonable' ranges.
    Like the 1895 rifle and carbine, it is designed to be carried for hours and shot once or twice.

    Expecting a four pound, sixteen inch barreled rifle that kills Kodiak bear at six hundred yards is a bit optimistic. Decide what is to be done realistically and then decide on needed requirements.
     
  4. Chuck R.

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    IF my wife figures out how much I've spent this year "upgrading" rifles, I'll have to save some money! I just got a call yesterday that one of my other projects is complete and ready for pick up. Trying to get it all done before the 2nd retirement and I become one of those "fixed income" folks.

    Just two more projects before FY24...and I'm a free man.
     
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  5. Bfh_auto

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    I have a Whelen. But I definitely like your setup. The recoil might be brisk with that little weight.
     
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  6. Chuck R.

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    Oh, I'm planning on "brisk +" but, Like Archie said:

    I normally don't spend a whole lot of time shooting off a bench anyway. For this particular rifle I plan on loading sedate "practice" loads built around the Hornady 180grn XTP. It will also be used for way more off-hand practice than some of my other rigs cause that's the kind of conditions it's being set up for. I may look into casting for it, but the XTPs are pretty cheap by the 100. Even the Hornady 200 grn Interlocks aren't terrible $$, cheaper than NBTs and NABs.
     
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  7. mavracer

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    IMHO because there is a void in North American big game. It's really more than you need for deer/boar, but folks want a little more for moose/bear and a little more range for elk.
    Also perceived better is often disproportionately exaggerated from actual better.
    To the op short, light n handy has always equated lever gun for me. So any time you're takin that I'll bring my Browning M71 348 Win and in the evening we can BS each other on the perceived better lol.
     
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  8. Chuck R.

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    I could have sworn the .348 VS .350RM debate was done here once:D
     
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  9. Bfh_auto

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    Look into the 180 Hotcore. I've been using it on deer. They leave a decent hole. But seem to hold up well. I've only double shouldered one so far and didn't lose a tremendous amount of meat.
     
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  10. mavracer

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    Probably we argue lots of dumb stuff.
    My opinion bullet technology has closed the gap on 30 vs 35 caliber terminal performance and made arguments that were silly 50 years ago pretty ridicules.
    But around a campfire with an adult libation we can discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
    Right now I have my 16 month old granddaughter sleeping on my chest BSing about guns life is very good.
     
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  11. Chuck R.

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    Thanks! What velocity were you running??
     
  12. Bfh_auto

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    I kept it under 3000. I'm running a handi-rifle. So recoil is worse than my 300WM.
     
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  13. Chuck R.

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    That's good to hear cause it will be about the same MV I'll get.
     
  14. Riomouse911

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    This is about all I have that could be called a “thumping carbine”, the 1895G .45/70.

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    I love the looks of those .350 RM carbines, they have lots of close-in oomph and a better range than the .444, .450 Marlin, .45/70, etc. :thumbup:

    Stay safe.
     
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  15. Chuck R.

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    It's done!

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    Zero'd it with the 200 Hornady SP load for upcoming deer season, no change in accuracy, still holding just under MOA. major POI shift due to the free floating, which I expected.

    Stripped weight: 5lbs 12.4 Ounces
    With 2.5-8x36 Leupold in Warne QD mounts: 6lbs 14.1 Ounces
    All up, with scope, sling and 4rds of 200 grn: 7lbs 7.2 Ounces

    With Swarovski 1.25-4X, "all up" and 4rds of 225 Partition: 7lbs 9.2 ounces

    Overall slightly lighter than my .260 Rem M7 with it's 2B profiled barrel.

    Shot both the 200grn load and a 180 Hornady XP load I put together for plinking at 200-300, no issues staying on steel from a rest.

    Recoil is brisk from the bench.. from sitting & prone it's not terrible. The Manners is about perfect for the M7 with a scope.
     
  16. Patocazador

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    I just scanned the comments but didn't see anything denoting the bullet set-back for the short action.

    Does your model 7 have enough throat to accommodate a long bullet or are you seating the bullet so far back into the case as to compromise on powder volume? That was the big bugaboo with the 660.
     
  17. Chuck R.

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    With the 660s, 600s and M7s (also M700s) it's not about the throat... it's the mag length. My M7 has the same mag length at 2.83" which matches the Rem M700 short action. Honestly it's a non-issue as long as you don't try to run the long higher BC bullets. I'm "compromised" but I normally load:

    The below all with IMR4320:

    Nosler 225 Partition 2730FPS
    Sierra 225 SP BT at 2720 FPS
    Hornady 200 SP at 2830
    Speer 250 grn Hot core at 2470 FPS

    Once my last pound of IMR 4320 is done, I'm switching to TAC which IAW Barnes should be able to net another 50 FPS or so. Some guys just didn't get the "concept" behind the 660s or the M7s in .350RM. It never was supposed to be a long shooter. It's more of a midrange caliber, which is how I use it, hence the lower power variables. It really excels as a woods cartridge/carbine. Having said that though, the 225 Nolser Partition load drops 8" at 300 from a 200yd zero and it's still carrying enough velocity for expansion out to 400yds with 23" of drop which puts it right about with the.308Win running 180s.
     
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  18. Patocazador

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    You could manually seat the 1st bullet normally in the case if the throat is long enough. Usually, only one shot is needed so the rest in the magazine would just be back-ups.
     
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  19. Chuck R.

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    Agree, but even with another grain, I'd gain another 50+ FPS or with a higher BC I'd shave an inch or 2 in drop over the long haul. For my uses, just not worth the squeeze.

    IF I need that kind of performance I'd just use a different rifle.
     
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  20. WestKentucky

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    I wanted a 35rrem of any flavor for a long time and never found one I was willing to pay for. Ended up with a contender barrel in 357 Herrett. Close enough. May give it a try this year, but that barrel remains unfired by me. I just don’t have the time I thought I would with my new self-employment. It’s 12 hours a day then home to 3 kids and a wife.

    But there are deer at my corn pile, and my middle daughter is VERY good with the crossbow this year. Oldest daughter is good with open sights on my marlin.
     
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  21. Offfhand

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    The Remington M-600 in .350 Mag was not only a powerful carbine, but could also be a "Scout Style" rifle before the style was hijacked. Look at the date: 1966 on this Gun Annual, the shooter was Pete Brown, an old time gun writer who really knew what he was talking about. Scout1.JPG Scout3.JPG
     
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