Sierra Game King for elk?

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Any reason not to use a 165/180gr SGK out of my 308? I will keep shots within 200-300 yards. Basically is this cup and core strong enough to give a quick humane kill on a good size elk? I get such good accuracy with these bullets I would love to use them on elk.

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If you were shooting 150's at 300 mag speeds at short ranges you might have a problem. But those bullet weights at 308 speeds should be just fine. In fact you could probably extend that range a bit and still be good.
 
Sierra's website says you're good to go with the 165 grn btsp gameking for elk up to 300 yards.
But if your rifle shoots 180's well, I'd consider those for superior penetration.
 
I've always considered Sierra GK's to be a little more lightly constructed than other brands. But the weights you are considering at .308 velocities should work just fine. Just to be safe I'd use the 180's if you don't plan on any shots over 300.

I agree, they are accurate.

Laphroaig
 
FWIW: The 150-grain SPBT can come apart if driven above 2,900 to 3000 ft/sec. At 2,800 MV, all's well for performance on deer. The flat-base holds together better.

The 165-grain HPBT can also make a big mess if it's driven at 3,000 or more. Again, 2,800 seems better.

The 180 SPBT holds together no matter how fast you launch it. :)

A .308 won't send them out all that fast so as to have problems, but I'd go with the 165s or (IMO even better) the 180s for elk.

Mostly opinion, since I'm a deer hunter and not an elk hunter. :)
 
Fremmer, I bought a box of 100 of the 165 HPBTs back in the early 1970s. Still haven't used all of them. :) I went back to the 150s for my deer-hunting.

What happened was that I went to shoot a doe in the neck at about 30 yards, but she took a step just as I touched it off. Entry in the near shoulder blade, exit taking the upper end of the leg bone and most of the shoulder bone. Sam Peckinpaugh movie sort of gout of blood, and a foot-wide blood trail for about fifty feet. Fist-size exit wound. That was just WAY too much of a blow-up bullet to suit me.

This is what it does to a coyote at 40 yards:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16431&d=1135262262
 
Those 165 HPBT's were the first bullets I ever loaded in my -06 in the late 60's. It didn't take long to realize they were meat wasters. I kept reducing the powder charge until I shot up the box.

Never lost a deer hit with one though. They left blood trails that Ray Charles could follow.

Laphroaig
 
I cannot speak to the terminal performance of the 180gr I can only say they are a very accurate bullet. The 165 Gameking on the other hand I have EXTENSIVE experence with. More deer then I care to count all 1 shot kills, all died in 20 yards or less and all shot through and through reguardless of shot angle. A very good bullet it is in no way too soft IMHO. While I use the SP version I understand the HP is even tougher (thicker jacket) the BC kinna sucks but inside 200 yards that won't be a deal breaker.
 
BTW that is not to say thatI think the SGK is the ideal bullet for elk class game, the various partitioned, bonded and mono metal bullets compete for that title, but if I were hunting with the SGK and a clean shot presented itself I would not hesetate for a second to use the Sierra.
 
Sierra Game Kings are soft point boat tail bullets.

I used 165's for deer, elk, antelope everything.
 
I got to looking at the Sierra bullet page this morning, on a different issue.

https://www.sierrabullets.com/products/bullets/rifle.cfm

They've added and changed a fair amount of stuff since I started using them in the '70s. E.g., the .308 165 was HP only, back then (although it's possible that they were out of stock in that store at that time, but given the amount of different bullets usually available, it's unlikely). The .224s and .243s are definitely a wider selection.
 
I've tried the hollow points and soft points in the 165gr Sierra Gameking line and the soft points worked much better and didn't destroy as much tissue as the hollow points.

For me, my go to round is the 165gr Sierra Gameking over IMR 4350 out of my -06 for deer and 180gr Nosler Partitions over IMR 4350 for Elk. Both have kept the freezer full for years.
 
I cannot speak to the terminal performance of the 180gr I can only say they are a very accurate bullet. The 165 Gameking on the other hand I have EXTENSIVE experence with. More deer then I care to count all 1 shot kills, all died in 20 yards or less and all shot through and through reguardless of shot angle. A very good bullet it is in no way too soft IMHO. While I use the SP version I understand the HP is even tougher (thicker jacket) the BC kinna sucks but inside 200 yards that won't be a deal breaker.
SGK's was where I started. A wise man told me that when accurizing you rifle remove as many variables as possible and he went on to say "use SGK's as they are great accurate bullets", and indeed they are.

I then used these as my hunting bullet. I have had bullet failure twice with 180gr SGK's (2 620fps) , considering that I had only shot 6 animals with the SGK's that makes the failure rate 33%. Now before all you SGK boys go ballistic .....

Failure 1 - was a frontal shot on a Kudu bull at about 45yds. The Kudu ran 40yds and dropped. The bullet punched a 1" hole into the chest and then totally disintegrated. Most the internal organs were liquidized and on dressing the animal is was an absolute mess, blood gore and bits everywhere. Now although the bullet "failed" it accounted for the Kudu in short time so it was very effective. We were unable to recover even one piece of the bullet on slaughtering.

Failure 2 - was on an Impala Ram at 20m. The ram was quartering away from me, I aimed for a spot at the back of the rib cage. The bullet entered the skin, deflected off the ribs and travelled between the ribs and hide, it then left the shoulder and re-entered the animal in the neck. Clearly the angle was such that it caused a deflection which probably could have happened to any bullet in all fairness. A second shot was required.

Here is the bullet in question.
SGK-180gr-B.jpg
SGK-180gr-A.jpg

These two "failures" and I use quotation marks on purpose, caused me to move to a bullet that I felt had a better construction and that would hold together better when bone was encountered. I have no doubt that SGK's and Pro Hunters kill and kill effectively, I just prefer a cleaner entry and exit wound.

Since changing over I have not had a bullet failure, Kudu taken on the shoulder have a calibre sized entry wound and a maximum of 3/4" exit wound. Most bullets pass through when on the shoulder. I have only recovered one bullet and that was from a Blue Wildebeest, a shoulder shot at 225yds and the bullet had lodged under the skin of the opposite shoulder, perfect mushrooming. I did not weigh the bullet as there was a youngster with us who was desperately eyeing out the bullet which I gave to him.

More recently I bought a 6.5mm Swede for my grandbuddies to hunt with. As is my practice the first bullet I buy when settling in a new rifle is a Sierra. In this case I bought some 120gr. Pro Hunters to download a bit for the little guys. After getting the rifle sorted out I did not have time develop a new load with the my bullet of choice, Accubonds, so we hunted with the 120gr. Pro Hunters. The two each shot a young Impala Ram, both shoulder shots, meat damage was not however excessive and the exit wounds were in the order of 1.5". This further convinced me to keep with the Accubonds which I have subsequently hunted with, the results are better.

So while being a fan of the Sierra's I settle my rifles in with them, if I had nothing else I would hunt with them, but I prefer to use something else when hunting to remove as much risk as possible.
 
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