Sig 225

[9mmepiphany]

I would not think it a problem...NP3 is electroless nickle with a teflon additive, Cera-Plate is electroless nickle (which I think is pretty slick already)

My preference of companies is based on their customer service

 

[Dobe]

I understand, and if I do acquire the 225, it will not need a refinish for some time. I was just wondering.

Also, I've never owned a Sig. I've always wondered how they hold up (the alum. framed models) with the frictions between the steel and aluminium. I realize there is an annodized finish on the frame, but I guess it just seems as though there would eventually be a problem.

 

[ABTOMAT]

A huge number of auto pistols made since the '50s have had aluminum frames. On a quality gun I don't think I've heard wear issues unless they were shot enough to kill any firearm.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I've never owned a Sig. I've always wondered how they hold up (the alum. framed models) with the frictions between the steel and aluminium. I realize there is an annodized finish on the frame, but I guess it just seems as though there would eventually be a problem.

The best way to safe guard a Sig is to lube the rails on the frame with a grease, like Slide Glide or Lubriplate) rather than an oil when you're going to subject it to the heat of heavy training.

Here is what I consider the definitive guide to lubrication of a Sig:
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&f=430601935&m=908103701&r=7680090222#7680090222

 

[MCMXI]

The SIG P225 is a superb pistol and just as reliable as its bigger brother the P220. I've put over 10k rounds through one of my P220s and over 3k through the P225 without any problems from either and 95% of those rounds have been reloads. However, I recently discovered that my P225 doesn't like Remington 88gr JHP ammunition. I have no idea where that ammunition came from but a few weeks ago I headed off to range with a box of that stuff and the P225 had feeding issues. It's NEVER had a single problem with 115gr or 124gr JHP/FMJ ammunition. I do have two minor complaints about the P225, first, the cost of the magazines, and second, the lack of Hogue grips like the ones shown on the P220 below. I bought a set of Pachmayr grips but returned them ... I wasn't impressed with the fit or the feel. I've considered buying a set of G10 grips from Hogue but they're expensive at around $130. If I ever move to a state that actually allows and issues CC permits, the P225 will be my choice for a semi-auto.

NIB German P225s are available online.

 

[rellascout]

Lube it properly and it will last longer than you or I will.

 

[MCMXI]

Here is what I consider the definitive guide to lubrication of a Sig:

I read through the thread in the link and was wondering if Mobil 1 synthetic grease (red) would be a good choice for the rails? Geissele includes a little vial of that stuff with their SSA triggers. I use it on my Remington bolts.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I wouldn't speak for the author of that thread, but I'd say you'd be OK with the Mobil 1...you're talking about the axel grease right?

 

[LibertySympathizer]

recently discovered that my P225 doesn't like Remington 88gr JHP ammunition

That wasn't accidently 9mm Short, aka .380ACP was it?

I happen to have that same Remington grain ammo for one of my .380's, so maybe if yours was an older box, it might have had the word short written in a less obvious way.

 

[MCMXI]

I wouldn't speak for the author of that thread, but I'd say you'd be OK with the Mobil 1...you're talking about the axel grease right?

Yes, I'm talking about Mobil 1 axle/wheel bearing/chassis grease. I've always used oil in the past but after reading Flork's "Internal Pistol Lubrication" post I think I'll try using grease on the frame rails.

http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/other_products/mobil_1_synthetic_grease.aspx

That wasn't accidently 9mm Short, aka .380ACP was it? I happen to have that same Remington grain ammo for one of my .380's, so maybe if yours was an older box, it might have had the word short written in a less obvious way.

I'm 99% sure it's 9mm Luger ammunition but I'll check when I get home. I may have been given it a number of years ago since I don't remember buying it. The OAL is very short though and that's why the P225 doesn't like it. If I had a 9mm revolver I could put it to good use but as it is, it's basically useless.

 

[Dobe]

Last question:
Is the 225 +P rated? If I get it, it will be tomorrow.

 

[MCMXI]

Is the 225 +P rated? If I get it, it will be tomorrow.

According to SIG's website .... HERE ....

Q: Can I use +P or +P+?
A: +P Ammo manufactured to SAAMI/CIP/NATO specs is fine to use as a defensive round or for occasional range use. Continual use of this round will make it necessary for more frequent service on the pistol. We do NOT recommend the use of any +P+ round. This may void your warranty.

Here's a good review of the P225. The author tested Winchester +P+ ammunition in the P225.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Critical Look at SIG Sauer P225.htm

That wasn't accidently 9mm Short, aka .380ACP was it?

I checked again and it's 9mm Luger ... here's a photo. It states on the box "a superior round for all automatic pistol applications" ... just not the P225 I guess.

 

[9mmepiphany]

It states on the box "a superior round for all automatic pistol applications" ... just not the P225 I guess.

don't feel bad, it wouldn't feed in my S&W M39 or H&K P7 either...it's just too short

 

[LibertySympathizer]

Well, got something to practice your tap-rack drills.

 

[Dobe]

Thanks for all of the advice. After I handled it again today, I decided against it. It just didn't feel right. On an up note, I did pick up a 1971 Model 41 Smith. I'll be at the range tomorrow.

 

[whatnickname]

SIG 225 / P6 LEO Trade-ins

Ther seem to be quite a few P6 LEO trade-ins out there...seems like I read somewhere that they have been imported from Germany where they were issued to the police agencies over there. The price on the GB site tends to hover around the $400 mark. I have also read that these guns were throated for ball ammo only. Have any of you run any hollow point ammo in these imports? If so, how did they run? Was there any preference for one style of hollow point over another?

 

[9mmepiphany]

The P6 was the Sig submission to the Police Handgun Trials following the '72 Munich Olympics...their Police were upgrading their duty guns from 7.65mm (.32) to 9mm. The P6 passed the trials along with the P5 (Walther) and the P7 (H&K) and different departments had their choice of guns...the P6 was the most selected choice.

I got mine a couple of years back and the OTD price was a bit <$350. Mine feed hollow points just fine (Speer 124gr Gold Dot) but there were some early examples which did not...it's just a quick polish to straighten out the feed ramp.

Mine have been very accurate and the only thing that has to be done is a lighter mainspring...the factory one is 24lbs

 

[Dionysusigma]

I went a slightly different route than the oft-touted "ramp and throat polish" solution. Yes, the hammer spring was changed out to factory P225-weight (what a chore that was!), but taking my time, I smoothed by hand with a water stone most of the bearing surfaces throughout the entire pistol (excluding critical points like the sear and safety contacts). Not mirror-polishing, but enough to iron out any kind of grittiness and get it to a butter-like feel. Also did some exterior barrel work, too, fitting the chamber a little more snugly to the ejection port for example. When it came time to give the ramp and throat some attention, I used nothing more than a drop or two of Flitz on a q-tip, light pressure, 5-10 minutes of swabbing, a blast of carb cleaner, and a dusting of Moly lube rubbed in with the other side of the q-tip.

The end result is a slightly beleaguered-looking P6 (which is how it looked when I got it) that has never once had a failure of any kind, can shoot 1" groups at 25' if I'm patient, and will digest anything from the occasional superlight <100gr loads all the way up to what I use for SD, Federal 147gr HP.

Of all the handguns I've ever owned, this is the one that truly feels "mine."

 

[PAPACHUCK]

If I were to get a single stack Sig for CCW, the P239 would get the nod. Same slim grip as the P225/P6, but in a smaller, lighter package. I prefer the fatter grip of the double stack more, so I choose a P229 in 9mm and I am SO happy with it.

 

[wildboar]

Wow I see the price on a new-in-box 225 has about doubled from 5-6 years ago. These used to be the neglected, single-stack, "can't get excited about it because doesn't hold 30 rounds" great price. Now I see they are $900-1000+.

 

[Dobe]

They can be found for $770-830.