what is the difference guys? there the 220 and then the 1911... im confused.. they are both .45's and ones a 1911 and ones not? which one is better? im not keeping it in that brand.. a lot of gunmakers have a 1911 version and then a regular .45.. can someone answer this question?? thanks fellas!
Sig p220 .45 and Sig 1911 .45
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The 1911 is single action only. The Sig 220 is double/single action along with other differences.
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Mostly its probably going to be personal preference for the type of pistol. I know a lot of die hard SA people dont like the DA P220. I carried a 1911 of one type or another for about 30 years and after my first P220, I never looked back. I soon had two and a P245. I actually went a step further once I found the 357SIG and now carry a P229 in that caliber.
The P220 out of the box is probably more reliable than most of your 1911's. I have yet to have one failure of any kind with any of my SIG's, something I cant even say for my Colt's, which have always been my most reliable 1911's, and the only 1911's I would trust to carry. I also find the 220 to be a natural shooter and the DA vs. SA thing is overblown. I shoot no worse going from DA to SA than I do in SA alone, and actually, I shoot tighter groups with my DAO P245 than I do with any of my 1911's.
If you havent shot either, I'd suggest finding a range that rents them and try each out and see what you like best. Both are good guns, (assuming you have a reliable version of the 1911) and will serve you well.
The P220 out of the box is probably more reliable than most of your 1911's. I have yet to have one failure of any kind with any of my SIG's, something I cant even say for my Colt's, which have always been my most reliable 1911's, and the only 1911's I would trust to carry. I also find the 220 to be a natural shooter and the DA vs. SA thing is overblown. I shoot no worse going from DA to SA than I do in SA alone, and actually, I shoot tighter groups with my DAO P245 than I do with any of my 1911's.
If you havent shot either, I'd suggest finding a range that rents them and try each out and see what you like best. Both are good guns, (assuming you have a reliable version of the 1911) and will serve you well.
Master Blaster
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My New P220 St has been the least reliable firearm I have ever owned.
SIGs customer service leaves alot to be desired.
Consider a Colt, Kimber, or Springfield.
cslinger
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My exp. has been SIG P220s tend to be far more likely to be box stock reliable then most comparitively priced 1911s.
ok ok i see .... im a noob... i like the double action then the single action because the first shot acts as a safety correct? i feel more comfortable with that.. you guys are helpful..and that review about the sig that its not good .. hmmm makes me think... a little..S&W .45 or sig .45?? do the sigs have a lifetime warranty like the smith and wesson?
.. hmmm makes me think... a little..S&W .45 or sig .45?? do the sigs have a lifetime warranty like the smith and wesson?BrennanKG
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jfanzen,
While there's certainly nothing wrong with seeking input from forum-goers/gun-owners, what you should do is get out to a range with a good rental selection and try out some handguns.
Handgun choice boils down to preference and the only way to get a handle on your preferences is to try out your options. There are many options: SAO, DAO, SA/DA, safety, no safety, single stack, double stack, different grip angles, and of course, different caliburs.
Good shooting,
B.
While there's certainly nothing wrong with seeking input from forum-goers/gun-owners, what you should do is get out to a range with a good rental selection and try out some handguns.
Handgun choice boils down to preference and the only way to get a handle on your preferences is to try out your options. There are many options: SAO, DAO, SA/DA, safety, no safety, single stack, double stack, different grip angles, and of course, different caliburs.
Good shooting,
B.
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The DA works like a DA revolver for the first shot.(the DAO works more like it) In the case of the SIG, once its been loaded and de-cocked, it has no other manual safeties and works just like the DA revolver for the first round, after that, it works like a 1911. The SIG's are very simple and their controls are better placed than most others.
There is nothing wrong with a 1911 that is "cocked and locked" once your used to it. It may be a little disconcerting at first, but its completely safe.
I'm sure you'll hear a lot less bad reports on SIG than you will on 1911's from most makers. I have 10 SIG's now and not one has had any type of problem, including the Mosquito, which if you listen to reports across the intenet, is one of the worst guns ever made. I've owned 1911's from most of the big makers, (at this point I still have 8 or so) and so far, the only ones I have not had a problem with that required a trip back to the factory or gunsmith has been Colt. Springfield, especially the newer guns has been the worse, and Kimber was a close second. No matter what the model or maker, there will always be problems of some sort. One thing you need to keep in mind with the internet is, there is a lot of bad info passed on second , third and one hundred plus hand. Ask for those who actually had actually had a problem themselves, and the numbers drop dramatically. Master Blaster has a valid beef if he had problems, and they are the ones you do want to hear about, as well as how well the company resolved it.
There is nothing wrong with a 1911 that is "cocked and locked" once your used to it. It may be a little disconcerting at first, but its completely safe.
I'm sure you'll hear a lot less bad reports on SIG than you will on 1911's from most makers. I have 10 SIG's now and not one has had any type of problem, including the Mosquito, which if you listen to reports across the intenet, is one of the worst guns ever made. I've owned 1911's from most of the big makers, (at this point I still have 8 or so) and so far, the only ones I have not had a problem with that required a trip back to the factory or gunsmith has been Colt. Springfield, especially the newer guns has been the worse, and Kimber was a close second. No matter what the model or maker, there will always be problems of some sort. One thing you need to keep in mind with the internet is, there is a lot of bad info passed on second , third and one hundred plus hand. Ask for those who actually had actually had a problem themselves, and the numbers drop dramatically. Master Blaster has a valid beef if he had problems, and they are the ones you do want to hear about, as well as how well the company resolved it.
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A world of difference...
My P220 doesn't see as much action as it used to, but neither does my 1911. I have an itch to scratch at the moment with revolvers. When I start buying auto's again, I plan to trade my 1911 in towards a Springfield Loaded model, or a Smith & Wesson 1911. From what I've seen, you can't beat them for the money when it comes to 1911's. The only other auto's I could see buying in the near future are Sigs. I especially like some of the newer Sig pistols, like the Equinox and the SAS versions.
I own a cheap 1911, and a Sig P220A (also a Sig Pro). It's not fair to compare them, so I won't. The Sigs are in a class of their own. What I can tell you is that neither one of my Sigs has ever had any failure of any type, with more than their share of super-cheap ammo and 500-round range sessions. My 220 shoots the aluminum cased CCI crap ammo all day without a hitch. That same ammo has knocked my 1911 out of commission so severely that a mallet had to be used to remove the spent case from the gun. My P220 feeds, fires and extracts everything perfectly... every single time.
I am most accurate with my P220. More than I am with my 9mm, which I actually shoot very well. Shooting .45ACP in a P220 is very pleasant. I also like the sights on the P220 more than any other gun I own...
I lost count of the rounds I've put through my P220 at somewhere around 3k since Christmas. It shows no signs of slowing down. Even on the internet, accounts like Master Blaster's are very few and far between, but every gun manufacturer makes a lemon here and there. I'm sure he would agree to that. Other Sig owners I've met in person have never told me anything negative about their experiences with their Sig pistols.
I also like DA/SA for carry better than 'cocked-and-locked' Condition 1. I don't like safeties as much as I used to think I did. With a 1911, you carry it cocked, with the hammer back, and the thumb safety on. To fire, you switch the thumb safety off, and all shots are SA. 1911's have better triggers than Sigs on average, IMO.
With a Sig (or other pistol that uses a decocking device), the decocker lowers the hammer down safely. The first shot is a longer DA pull. All subsequent shots are SA. Some decockers with safeties, like the Ruger P-series models, I find a little confusing. I am a big fan of the decocking mechanism on Sigs. No safety to think about, just pull it and shoot. Very worth it to rent one at your local range and see what you think.
My P220 doesn't see as much action as it used to, but neither does my 1911. I have an itch to scratch at the moment with revolvers. When I start buying auto's again, I plan to trade my 1911 in towards a Springfield Loaded model, or a Smith & Wesson 1911. From what I've seen, you can't beat them for the money when it comes to 1911's. The only other auto's I could see buying in the near future are Sigs. I especially like some of the newer Sig pistols, like the Equinox and the SAS versions.
I own a cheap 1911, and a Sig P220A (also a Sig Pro). It's not fair to compare them, so I won't. The Sigs are in a class of their own. What I can tell you is that neither one of my Sigs has ever had any failure of any type, with more than their share of super-cheap ammo and 500-round range sessions. My 220 shoots the aluminum cased CCI crap ammo all day without a hitch. That same ammo has knocked my 1911 out of commission so severely that a mallet had to be used to remove the spent case from the gun. My P220 feeds, fires and extracts everything perfectly... every single time.
I am most accurate with my P220. More than I am with my 9mm, which I actually shoot very well. Shooting .45ACP in a P220 is very pleasant. I also like the sights on the P220 more than any other gun I own...
I lost count of the rounds I've put through my P220 at somewhere around 3k since Christmas. It shows no signs of slowing down. Even on the internet, accounts like Master Blaster's are very few and far between, but every gun manufacturer makes a lemon here and there. I'm sure he would agree to that. Other Sig owners I've met in person have never told me anything negative about their experiences with their Sig pistols.
I also like DA/SA for carry better than 'cocked-and-locked' Condition 1. I don't like safeties as much as I used to think I did. With a 1911, you carry it cocked, with the hammer back, and the thumb safety on. To fire, you switch the thumb safety off, and all shots are SA. 1911's have better triggers than Sigs on average, IMO.
With a Sig (or other pistol that uses a decocking device), the decocker lowers the hammer down safely. The first shot is a longer DA pull. All subsequent shots are SA. Some decockers with safeties, like the Ruger P-series models, I find a little confusing. I am a big fan of the decocking mechanism on Sigs. No safety to think about, just pull it and shoot. Very worth it to rent one at your local range and see what you think.
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I have never used a SIG 1911 but I have a 14 year old 220 that I bought new and has been perfect except for the need to replace a magazine spring.
The gun itself is outstanding in accuracy and reliablibilty. All 45s should be this good.
The gun itself is outstanding in accuracy and reliablibilty. All 45s should be this good.
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Whichever pistol you choose, stay with it. Don't go switching back and forth bewteen a 1911 or variant and the Sig. Both weapons are very well designed but the immediate action drills, mag change, slide release, etc take a while to get down pat. I had carried a M1911 for over 30 years, now when I feel like a change, its between the 226 and 229 in 9mm or .40S&W. Soon, I'll add the P220 and the M1911 will be passed on to my son and grandson. Just as it was from my great uncle to my father, to me. One gun, two World Wars and a "small" sideshow in RVN!
Whichever pistol you choose, stay with it. Don't go switching back and forth bewteen a 1911 or variant and the Sig. Both weapons are very well designed but the immediate action drills, mag change, slide release, etc take a while to get down pat. I had carried a M1911 for over 30 years, now when I feel like a change, its between the 226 and 229 in 9mm or .40S&W. Soon, I'll add the P220 and the M1911 will be passed on to my son and grandson. Just as it was from my great uncle to my father, to me. One gun, two World Wars and a "small" sideshow in RVN!
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