SIG P239 -vs- S&W 908(S) -vs- 3913TSW

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I'd appreciate any opinions/info on how S&W's 908 & 908S compare with SIG's P239, in reliability, durability, ease of field-stripping/cleaning, trigger, ect....

Also, can anyone tell me what the grip circumference is for the P239, the 908(S), and the 3913TSW?

Finally, other than the 3913TSW's rail and checkering on the grip's front, is there any difference between it and the 908S?


Thanks.


nero
 
Nero:

You are asking lots of the same question I did about 4 years ago. I think it is funny that your handle is 45ACP must be a 1911 shooter too and that was my first auto loader.

Ok here we go when I started thinking about CCW I wanted to move to a 40S&W from my 45 (Still have the 45 by the way) to get a higher magazine capacity and better concealment. I ended up buying the S&W 910 in said caliber. The gun was ok but after lugging it around for a couple years wanted something a little smaller and easier to carry. A buddy of mine has a 908 and I shot it and liked it fairly well not a bad little gun. The problem is that I had already "Felt like I" talked myself down to a 40s&w and could not bring myself to moving all the way down to a 9mm so I chose the Sig 239 in 40S&W.

Sigs are top of the line hand guns if you ask me the fitting and trigger are very well done and the little guy is a pleasure to carry. In fact I liked it so much actually bought another one in 9mm for my wife.


Even though I cant say anything bad about the 908 I absolutly love the 239's we have. Since Sig engineering and specs come from Germany I believe that "Long Term" the Sig would out live the 908. As far as stripping them both are a snap.

Now a couple of parting shots:D
I suggest going to a range and renting both you will notice that the trigger on the Sig is better than the 908 especially on that very important 1st double action shot really what your desicion will boil down to is the the money you have to spend, and if you want the 40 like me or will settle for the 9mm. As far as that goes I have done alot of reading and with todays technology there is not the huge gap there used to be if you buy the right ammo. 115grain Gold Dots for the 9mm and 155 grain Gold Dots for the 40 should get the job done. I think you would be happy with either especially if you are planing on using it as a carry gun. Both are great for concealment I recomend an IWB for either one.

As far as the size of the grip I have small hands and they both fit my hand very well dont have exact measurements though.

Hope Ive helped out

Good luck and happy shopping
 
The entire S&W tactical line has been specially designed by their performance center and built to much tighter tolerance than their other models. While I don't like the rail, there is no denying that the 3913TSW is designed to be more accurate and reliable than the 908. This doesn't mean that there is something wrong with the 908's -- just that the TSW's are built to a higher tolerance. Individually, there could be 908's that are better than some 3913TSW's.

Personally, I prefer the design of S&W over SIG but that's just personal preference. Either of these three guns would be a fine choice as a self defense weapon.
 
Alan Fud said:
I would rate the 3913TSW on the same par as the 239. Won't say that about the 908.

Agreed.

A really like the 3913 - best gun of the above for my hand.

Like the 3913 best
 
Thanks for the helpful replies.

I have owned three SIGs, a P220 9mm European model, a P225, and a P226ST 9mm (which I foolishly sold), so I am familiar with SIG's quality, ect....

Last night I referenced the latest issue of Gun Tests magazine which (favorably) evaluated the S&W 908S, and compared the 908's measurements with the P239's measurements (from the SIG website), and found that they are very close.

Given that their measurements are so close, and the fact that I'm already familiar and satisfied with SIG's P series pistols, I think I'm going to pick-up the P239 9mm.

I guess you could say that I tend to favor SIG auto-loaders, and S&W revolvers.:D

Again, thanks.


nero
 
Good Choice:D
I forgot to say in my orignal message that the 908 has a flatter squarer handle that does not fit my hand as well as the sig
 
Hello,
Small/medium framed single stack 9mms are my favorite type of handgun. I have tried most of them and own a bunch.

I think the Kahr K-9 is the hands down best of the bunch. The K-9 is more ergonomic than the SIG 239 and it has a lower bore axis. It also seems to point more natually because of this. The K-9 is the only one that I single out as being heads and shoulders above the rest.

There are a few really nice ones that I rank just below the K-9. I don't rank them lower because of inferior quality, just because I don't like the way they feel or shoot as much as the K-9. This is just my opinion and yours may vary so you should try before you buy if you can. Some people find the K-9 a little small for their hands, I find it fits me almost perfectly. It really feels like I can get a good grip on it instead of just feeling like there is something in my hand like the SIG feels like.

The older S&W 3913s are nice and they don't have that stupid rail. You can get the Lady Smiths or just find a nice round trigger gaurd 3913. They are a little nicer than the 908s because they are SS. The SIG 239 is a fine gun, it is as good or better than the 239 so I rank about equal. The bonus for the 3913 is, you can sometimes pick them up used for a steal. I got my very nice 3913 for $275 and it was not a Police trade in. It has been an excellent pistol from day one. Like all S&W autos, it is trouble free and 100% reliable. It is actually pretty accurate as well. One of my best buys in handguns that I have ever made.
 
Albanian,
I tend to agree with you to a point. The K9 is smaller, better in the hand and my guns have been more accurate than the 239's and 39** guns Ive shot/owned.

They are all great guns and IMO, you could do worse than any gun your guys are talking about. Your best bet is to rent each one and see what shoots the way YOU LIKE!

Shoot well.
 
GoBrush said:
Any one have a picuture of a 3913TSW never seen one?


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Dam Brushie, now I want one!!!!:banghead:

Been wanting one since they came out years ago.

And these do have a mag disconnect safety too right - no mag no fire.

Better for families with kids.
 
albanian said:
Hello,
Small/medium framed single stack 9mms are my favorite type of handgun. I have tried most of them and own a bunch.

I think the Kahr K-9 is the hands down best of the bunch. The K-9 is more ergonomic than the SIG 239 and it has a lower bore axis. It also seems to point more natually because of this. The K-9 is the only one that I single out as being heads and shoulders above the rest.

Gotta admit I miss my Kahr E-9 but it has been replaced with a PM-9.
A nice pocket single stack 9mm as well;)
 
The original (pre-rail) 3913TSW's, like the one pictured in the previous posting, lacked the rails, had the reduced grip frame profile and came with 7-round magazines. Nicely done, small single column, metal-framed 9mm defensive pistols. The DAO version was the 3953TSW, BTW.

The current 3913TSW's have the larger, standard grip frame profile (of the previous 3913 and current 908), and therefore use the standard 8-round magazines ... and come equipped with an accessory rail. The rail isn't really something I prefer on a small defensive pistol, but the rail doesn't really bother me except from a holster fitment perspective.

The TSW's have the larger 'box-type' rails, compared to the original, standard' rails in the frames and slides. This has been described by the factory as offering the potential for greater inherent accuracy.Tighter tolerances, but not to the point where reliability has been adversely affected. The barrel camming surface profile has also reportedly been slightly modified to help the slide & barrel remain locked together for a little longer, for the purpose of reducing felt recoil. Some folks might be able to notice it in the 9mm pistols, and some might not ...

The current production TSW's also offer barrel tab visual inspection ports to check the barrel's chamber for the presence of a case in the chamber, and the slides have been modified to accept the installation of the optional spring-loaded, decock-only assemblies for folks who desire them. (Not really a 'drop-in' part, as they have to be checked for fit and function, and the existing sear release lever may have to be replaced with the new decock-only assembly.) This was originally primarily a L/E offered option. The older, 'original' TSW slides weren't similarly modified ... as is the case on my original 4513TSW.;)

As far as comparisons with the SIGARMS, it's a matter of personal preference and desire.

Last I was told, S&W builds their pistols on ISO 9001 compliant computer-controlled equipment that offers a standard of quality at least comparable to any other major manufacturer's similarly priced and produced firearm. I've always thought the S&W TSW line can stand shoulder-to-shoulder to even the European produced pistols when it comes to quality, accuracy, fit and finish. Of course, I don't suffer from "Euro-Envy" when it comes to firearms ... :neener:

I've always found the P-239 to be a decent pistol, though, capable of reasonable accuracy and reliability. I've recommended them to a couple of folks who preferred SIG's and wanted a compact, personally owned off-duty weapon. I find the slightly larger grip dimensions to be less suitable for my needs, though ... and I really prefer the S&W TDA (DA/SA) trigger, especially with it's shorter reach and faster SA trigger reset, for my personal needs and desires. I certainly wouldn't mind carrying either an issued P-239 or P-245 as a plainclothes weapon, but I don't care for them enough to actually spend my own money on them. Different strokes, though, right?

I know we have a fellow who bought a P-239, and has been very satisfied with it ... although after he asked to shoot my 4013TSW during a range qualification he's been bugging me to sell it to him.;)

The Lifetime Warranty of the S&W isn't anything to dismiss out of hand.

If you're right-handed, either pistol's design offers a fairly easily accessible decocking method. If you're left-handed, on the other hand (no pun intended), well, SIGARMS decockers aren't exactly the most "left-handed friendly" pistols on the market when it comes to easily decocking them. Consider the differences in decocking each design when it comes to both normal range conditions, as well as the elevated stressful conditions potentially existing in actual deadly for/defensive encounters ... when fine motor skills can quickly and seriously degrade.

I'd consider the 908/908S to be a decent work-horse of a TDA 9mm pistol. It shares most of the minor internal working parts, but it doesn't offer some of the enhanced qualities of the 3913TSW.

Although I own a fine example of a late-production 3913, with the slide modified for the spring-loaded, decock-only assembly ... which has proven itself to be very reliable and accurate ... I still plan to pick up a new 3913TSW sometime before I retire. I keep hoping S&W will release one with a Scandium alloyed aluminum frame, since I've heard carious folks from the factory mention the potential for their standard aluminum frames to be replcaed by Scandium frames in the future. Talk about a lightweight, metal-frame, durable 9mm pistol.:D I was certainly favorably impressed with the 4040PD I handled and test-fred for evaluation, and may consider replacing my 4013TSW with a 4040PD at some point.

Hey, try both the P-239 and the 3913 and see what suits your preferences and desires best.
 
Thanks for all the helpful/informative replies.

I really like the looks of that 3913TSW without the rails.

Like others have already posted, I need to find an opportunity to shoot, or at least handle a 3913TSW, or a 908S before I make a decision.


nero
 
You know I actually like the 3913LS quite a bit (I just don't like the rails on the current 3913TSW's). Also, I have a older 65LS that I really like, so I don't have any issues with owning a "Ladysmith" model.

However, if I got one I'd much rather have the black grips of the 3913TSW on it. Will the 3913TSW grips fit on a 3913LS, and how difficult is it to change out the grips on the 3913LS? From the few pics I've seen of the 3913LS, I don't see any grip screws.

Also, how does the 3913LS compare with the 3913TSW as far as quality, manufacturing tolerances ect....

Thanks


nero
 
I purchased a 3913LS to use as a back up, off duty piece and companion to my 1911 (unfortunatley 1911's aren't the most reliable with short barrel hence my decision).
I replaced the grey grips with the standard black models. Basically you just pop the pin out in the bottom of the grip and slide it off. Slide the new one on pop in the pin and your good to go. There are a few pieces that slide out with the grip so be aware.
The 3913LS was rumored to have a better trigger than the standard 3913. Build quality is solid and it has never missed a beat. I was never a S&W auto fan but the 3913 fit my needs as a small and especially THIN and reliable gun for those times when I am not carrying a full size piece. The trigger is really smooth in DA mode for and auto and other than some take up the single action is almost 1911 crisp with a very short reset.

KS
 
nero45acp,

I've all threee! SW 908s, 3914 (blued version of 3913) and a Sig 239. I found the Sig 239 to be the accuracy champ of the 3. It just darn shoots straighter then the smiths. That was when the gun was new, but after about 1000 rounds of 124 grain GD +P ammo the slide started to wobble on the frame and a bit of it's accuracy went away. Having said that the 908s will feed and shoot anything you can feed it. The more I shoot that gun the smoother and slicker it becomes. It is as concealable as the Sig. As mentioned in the beginning of my post I've a 3914 which is blued version of the 3913. This is my favorite CCW because it's the most slim of the bunch. This gun in my hand has the best feel and it tack driver accurate out to 7 yards. That though is ok for me as that I train at that distance as that most Self Defense situations occur at that distance. I think like everyone else has said that any of these guns will serve you well. Pick the one that feels best to you. I don't think anyone of them will let you down.
 
Thanks to all for the helpful replies.

I'm going shooting this morning at a local gunshop/range, and I know that they have a 3913LS there, so I'll get a chance to handle one this morning. I'm also going to try to find a S&W CS9 so I can get a chance to handle one of those as well. (Though, from what I've seen on the S&W Forum the CS9's grips seem a little wide for such a small pistol.)


nero
 
I have been told that S&W can remove the rail on the 3913TSW. I have shot the 239 but I brought the 3913TSW. Theres nothing wrong wtih the 239, but as mentioned earlier its not leftie friendly..and Im a leftie;)
 
I really like the looks of that 3913TSW without the rails.
I'd second the motion to include a 3913LS in your thinking. I own one, and it's fantastic. Accurate, reliable, first-rate fit and finish, smooth trigger mechanism. I also like the left-side-only safety, which makes the gun a good bit thinner than a lot of 3rd-gen S&W's, and I find that I can still operate the safety left-handed (though when it's in a holster the safety is off anyway). The ambi safety was my biggest gripe about the standard 3913.
 
I have a 3913 with thousands of rounds through the gun on my watch and a unknown amount of rounds before I bought it used from a cop in my area.

Never a single malfunction of any kind. I have never even replaced a mag spring in the gun. It has shot some of the worst ammo I could obtain and the gun just runs.

It is the perfect size ccw pistol IMO. Good trigger and the trigger reset is very good (much better than the sig) and the stainless construction never wears out as compared to my sigs that fling off the finish at the sight of a leather holster.

If you are still unclear my vote is for the 3913.

I hardly think any of the three you mentioned will let you down so choose with confidence.
 
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