Thinking about buying a new one from a local dealer for 500...I just can't make myself buy a budget brand when I'll trust my life to it...I've read mostly positive reviews, what say you all? If you've heard a story great I'm listening but if any of you own one or have shot one I'm especially interested.
SIG SP2022 thoughts
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I own a 2340 Blueline in .40 and .357 SIG. While there are differences other than caliber between it and the 2022 I think the guns are pretty much the same. My 2340 is an outstanding gun in all aspects. It's so smooth in .40 and .357 that I can only imagine how good it would be in 9mm. While the rest of my SIGs are traditional metal framed guns, I think that the SIGPro series is way, way underrated.
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bgrav321,
the sp2022 is a nice pistol. it may be one, but i don't think of this gun as a "budget" gun. the ones i have shot have had really nice triggers, felt good in the hand, and were very accurate. storm is right, the pro series is very underrated
the sp2022 is a nice pistol. it may be one, but i don't think of this gun as a "budget" gun. the ones i have shot have had really nice triggers, felt good in the hand, and were very accurate. storm is right, the pro series is very underrated
A SIG SP2022 is far from a "budget brand" gun. That would be a Hi-Point etc
Do some reading at the link below. The gun is very well proven, and is probably the most underrated gun in SIG's lineup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Pro
Do some reading at the link below. The gun is very well proven, and is probably the most underrated gun in SIG's lineup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Pro
The SP2022 enjoys a good reputation. On the plus side, it is known for being very accurate and having a very good trigger. It is well-made, too, and at prices under $500 is good value for money.
There are a few negatives -- none of them are necessarily disqualifiers, but they should be considered.
1. It is a relatively large gun with a thick grip (even with the "small" grip installed). Some people love this - in fact, if you are used to Sig's double stack pistols (P226, P228, P229) you might not notice this. Compare it to a M&P 9/357/40 and it seems a little fat. If you are okay with it, fine!
2. You can install a "short trigger" if that helps the fit of the gun. However, there is a small part (called a snapper sleeve or pivot pin retainer) that costs under $5 that needs to be replaced if you change the trigger.
3. The SP 2022 is reputedly hard to disassemble. I found it was hard the first time -- wish I had a third hand -- but as it broke in and I got used to it, it got easier and easier. I don't think this is a disqualifier if you are willing to invest a little time to loosen up the gun and learn how to take it down.
4. The slide is camphered a little bit, such that it is not perfectly flat-sided. If you have trouble gripping a slide, this campher and the relatively shallow slide serrations may affect your grip on the slide for cocking. I have arthritis and this caused me some problems. I love my other Sigs and M&Ps and their flat sides and sharply cut serrations.
5. Some people allege -- you may find this on the web in some blogs and forums -- that the gun can be knocked into a mode where it will not fire, it the takedown pin is pushed sideways a bit. I read this and tried to replicate this alleged condition and could not make it happen no matter what. I mention this because you might read it, but I think this one is either rare or just imaginary.
6. Some SP 2022's have the Ilaflon finish (a shinier finish that looks more like Melonite) but most come with Sig's Nitron finish. The Ilaflon is on German-made and marked guns, typically with three matching serial numbers. These are somewhat more desirable than the "regular" SP2022. Apparently a lot of SP2022's were made in 2009, possibly related to the production line being open for a large (~60K) contract for the Colombian police paid for by DEA and purchased by the US Army.
There are a few negatives -- none of them are necessarily disqualifiers, but they should be considered.
1. It is a relatively large gun with a thick grip (even with the "small" grip installed). Some people love this - in fact, if you are used to Sig's double stack pistols (P226, P228, P229) you might not notice this. Compare it to a M&P 9/357/40 and it seems a little fat. If you are okay with it, fine!
2. You can install a "short trigger" if that helps the fit of the gun. However, there is a small part (called a snapper sleeve or pivot pin retainer) that costs under $5 that needs to be replaced if you change the trigger.
3. The SP 2022 is reputedly hard to disassemble. I found it was hard the first time -- wish I had a third hand -- but as it broke in and I got used to it, it got easier and easier. I don't think this is a disqualifier if you are willing to invest a little time to loosen up the gun and learn how to take it down.
4. The slide is camphered a little bit, such that it is not perfectly flat-sided. If you have trouble gripping a slide, this campher and the relatively shallow slide serrations may affect your grip on the slide for cocking. I have arthritis and this caused me some problems. I love my other Sigs and M&Ps and their flat sides and sharply cut serrations.
5. Some people allege -- you may find this on the web in some blogs and forums -- that the gun can be knocked into a mode where it will not fire, it the takedown pin is pushed sideways a bit. I read this and tried to replicate this alleged condition and could not make it happen no matter what. I mention this because you might read it, but I think this one is either rare or just imaginary.
6. Some SP 2022's have the Ilaflon finish (a shinier finish that looks more like Melonite) but most come with Sig's Nitron finish. The Ilaflon is on German-made and marked guns, typically with three matching serial numbers. These are somewhat more desirable than the "regular" SP2022. Apparently a lot of SP2022's were made in 2009, possibly related to the production line being open for a large (~60K) contract for the Colombian police paid for by DEA and purchased by the US Army.
Thanks to you guys for the info, still glad to have more from anyone out there.
I should have clarified...I was leaning along Taurus lines, that's what I meant by a budget gun. Like not more than 350 NIB kind of budget. (I can get a millenium pro for 330) but when I saw a SIG for 500, I thought to myself maybe it's too good to be true. I am in no way saying SIG is a budget gun
I know some people love taurus, and some hate it, but I don't find a whole lot of first hand reviews about SIG saying it fires twice then stops right out of the box...
I should have clarified...I was leaning along Taurus lines, that's what I meant by a budget gun. Like not more than 350 NIB kind of budget. (I can get a millenium pro for 330) but when I saw a SIG for 500, I thought to myself maybe it's too good to be true. I am in no way saying SIG is a budget gun
I know some people love taurus, and some hate it, but I don't find a whole lot of first hand reviews about SIG saying it fires twice then stops right out of the box...
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Good gun. nice DA trigger which is a little longer than the avg P series gun. They were a steal at $400 which is what they were going for as recently as a few years ago.
The ones with triple serial numbers and the Ilafalon finish are French contract guns. They bought a ton of them and plan to keep them in service until 2022.
Good gun but $500 is too much IMHO.
The ones with triple serial numbers and the Ilafalon finish are French contract guns. They bought a ton of them and plan to keep them in service until 2022.
Good gun but $500 is too much IMHO.
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They all come with night sights. Should also come with 3 mags.
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Don't think of this as a "Budget" gun. Its easily as nice as any glock, XD, XDm, M&P and its nicer than any taurus.
I have an older 2022 .40 cal and it has 14,200 through it so far + whatever the original owner put through it (he estimated 1,000)...
Honest to god, it has NEVER had a failure of any sort and its very accurate.
Its pretty big,... more THICK/WIDE than long/tall but its got some girth to it. The design of the adjustable backstrap on this gun is unmatched by anything else out there stating "Adjustable backstrap"... the whole thing comes off, its fantastic.
I love mine, and I will never get rid of it. It has eaten EVERYTHING i have ever put in it.
I have an older 2022 .40 cal and it has 14,200 through it so far + whatever the original owner put through it (he estimated 1,000)...
Honest to god, it has NEVER had a failure of any sort and its very accurate.
Its pretty big,... more THICK/WIDE than long/tall but its got some girth to it. The design of the adjustable backstrap on this gun is unmatched by anything else out there stating "Adjustable backstrap"... the whole thing comes off, its fantastic.
I love mine, and I will never get rid of it. It has eaten EVERYTHING i have ever put in it.
Don't think so now-SIG has cut the number of mags included in all their guns?
I own 2 SP2022s-the first one a few years back came with 3 mags and the second backstrap. The second one I bought a few months ago-2 mags instead of 3 and the second backstrap was not included.
Mine did come with three mags, but all 2340 Bluelines came with three. These were guns that originally were only sold to LEOs. The guns have the crest that you see below on top of the slide and came in plain cardboard boxes. The great thing about the 2340 is that you can swap your 40 barrel for a .357 SIG with the magazines made for both calibers. I prefer the gun in 357. As you can just see with Kingofthehill's 2340 (shown above) the rail is proprietary. The rail for the 2022 is not proprietary. There are also a number of different backstrap/grips available out there, the latest one that I found has a lanyard attachment point which I would imagine is more standard with the 2022.
BTW, if your 2022 is in .40 I would imagine that it could also swap for a .357 SIG barrel.
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I want to add my $.02 on this Sig. I owned one, bought "on faith" from Bud's Guns. The SP2022 .40 was impressive, accurate and reliable.
The down side was(and this was my fault for buying a gun before I put hands on it) I hated the grip and feel. Even with the "small" grip it came with the general feel was "short & fat" more I handled it the more I disliked it.
The down side was(and this was my fault for buying a gun before I put hands on it) I hated the grip and feel. Even with the "small" grip it came with the general feel was "short & fat" more I handled it the more I disliked it.
Thanks again to all who contributed helpful information. One last question: what about concealed carry? I'm intererested in IWB carry, probably around the backside, and the kicker is I'm 6' 6'' and weigh about 185. No hips to hold a hefty gun up you see.
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We used to carry them but recently moved to metal framed sigs. They are very reliable pistols and very accurate. It is a large gun, though. It makes an excellent "house" or "truck" gun, but personally I would not buy it with the intention of using it for every day concealed carry.
We here at Completely Made-up Gun Magazine gave the SigPro four stars and a "Best Buy" rating!
Actually, I'm just an owner. What everyone has said is correct. The grip is a little thick, so try before you buy (I happen to like it now.) The trigger is very good. I love the slide release, since it's on a nice long extension, so it's very easy to operate. I like the decocking feature, though the interface on mine seems a little clunky. And the night sights are very good.
There are variations to different releases and points of manufacture, so, as noted, some versions will give you three mags and some two, and there are different finishes, for what that's worth.
Here's a good site for SigPro fans:
http://lundestudio.com/SigProFAQ/
I also read the internet reports of dislodging the take-down pin, and, uhhhhh, no. Not going to happen. I mean, yes, if somehow, for that 1/1000th of a second while your slide is in exactly the right spot, a ninja attacked from the side with a well practiced throw of his ninja ball peen hammer, then, yes, ok, he's got you. But, really, he would have had you anyway, because he's just that good. Otherwise, it smells like the usual teenager translating a "could happen" theory into an "often happens" story, much like where I grew up, where the teens told us there was a Goat Man living under the bridge by the ice rink, who would kill you with a hammer (what is WITH the hammer attacks lately? Must be the ammo shortage.)
I'd be sure to try it on for fit before buying it (apparently the French have HUGE hands. I wonder how thick the surrender flagpoles are over there) and try to talk them down on price, because it's your patriotic duty. If it fits you, it's a winner.
P.S. I still avoid that bridge.
Actually, I'm just an owner. What everyone has said is correct. The grip is a little thick, so try before you buy (I happen to like it now.) The trigger is very good. I love the slide release, since it's on a nice long extension, so it's very easy to operate. I like the decocking feature, though the interface on mine seems a little clunky. And the night sights are very good.
There are variations to different releases and points of manufacture, so, as noted, some versions will give you three mags and some two, and there are different finishes, for what that's worth.
Here's a good site for SigPro fans:
http://lundestudio.com/SigProFAQ/
I also read the internet reports of dislodging the take-down pin, and, uhhhhh, no. Not going to happen. I mean, yes, if somehow, for that 1/1000th of a second while your slide is in exactly the right spot, a ninja attacked from the side with a well practiced throw of his ninja ball peen hammer, then, yes, ok, he's got you. But, really, he would have had you anyway, because he's just that good. Otherwise, it smells like the usual teenager translating a "could happen" theory into an "often happens" story, much like where I grew up, where the teens told us there was a Goat Man living under the bridge by the ice rink, who would kill you with a hammer (what is WITH the hammer attacks lately? Must be the ammo shortage.)
I'd be sure to try it on for fit before buying it (apparently the French have HUGE hands. I wonder how thick the surrender flagpoles are over there) and try to talk them down on price, because it's your patriotic duty. If it fits you, it's a winner.
P.S. I still avoid that bridge.
I've tried it out...and I'm 6' 6'' so the big hands thing is no problem... i'm mostly concerned about the weight of it for concealed carry. Problem you think? It will mostly be t shirt and jeans during the summer, during the winter it's no trouble.
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I've held one in a gunshop, felt good other than it being polymer. I don't quite like the feeling of it.
md7
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bgrav321,
with the proper belt and holster, folks carry all steel, full sized 1911's, L frame SW's, and Ruger GP100's. are there lighter, slimmer, easier guns to conceal? short answer is yes. but with proper belt, holster, and long as you aren't wearing really tight (e.g. "wife beaters") shirts, i think that you could conceal the sp2022.
i have ccw'ed a glock 23 before. still do sometimes. i think it is fairly close in size to the 2022. and i am using a cheap holster! it can be done. you might have to change the way you dress, or you may not. but it can be concealed imho if you are willing to do what is necessary to conceal it.
with the proper belt and holster, folks carry all steel, full sized 1911's, L frame SW's, and Ruger GP100's. are there lighter, slimmer, easier guns to conceal? short answer is yes. but with proper belt, holster, and long as you aren't wearing really tight (e.g. "wife beaters") shirts, i think that you could conceal the sp2022.
i have ccw'ed a glock 23 before. still do sometimes. i think it is fairly close in size to the 2022. and i am using a cheap holster! it can be done. you might have to change the way you dress, or you may not. but it can be concealed imho if you are willing to do what is necessary to conceal it.
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for what it's worth, if i were looking for a dedicated ccw, i probably would look at other choices like a SW 642, SP101, Sig P6, etc. but the SP2022 would work if thats what you had and dressed to carry it.
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