sigs or glocks, or both?

[arinvolvo]

competition sharp shooting is something that the operator has prepared and trained for.

Most people have not prepared and trained to be shot at, or be in the position to defend themselves with deadly force. I can imagine that in a hi-stress life-before-the-eyes situation such as this, Some people would be lucky to successfully unholster their weapon, let alone remember safeties and the like...

muscle memory and training are one thing...but i have never trained for this while being shot at. I dont trust myself to do much more than find my gun, and pull the trigger until slidelock.

People reporting gun fight SD situations, generally tell the same story. tehy dont remember aiming, they dont remember how many shots they fired, etc...

I cant even imagine the kind of mental stress and confusion that would cause such a short term memory dump. So, i cannot begin to know how I or anyone else would react in the same situation. But i can hypothesize that it will not be with the same grace and accuracy of an IDPA shooter.

Henseforth...nothing but a trigger pull for me. No safeties, no lasers, etc.

 

[355sigfan]

Most people have not prepared and trained to be shot at, or be in the position to defend themselves with deadly force. I can imagine that in a hi-stress life-before-the-eyes situation such as this, Some people would be lucky to successfully unholster their weapon, let alone remember safeties and the like
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Agreed. Most people being the key phrase. The 1911 is not a good sidearm for most people. For the dedicated professional however there is nothing better. No matter what kind of person you are. You had better be trained well enough to unholster your weapon and engage the threat or your better off without a gun. People don't rise to the occaision they default to their level of training.
Pat

 

[arinvolvo]

People don't rise to the occaision they default to their level of training.

That is the prayer that God gets from me every time i holster up. i pray that i never in my lifetime have to use my weapon to defend myself, but if and when i do..i pray that You steady my hand, and harden my heart.

 

[355sigfan]

From the few shootings I have been able to look at after the fact. I would say that the ability to handle stress is more important than your skill with a gun. We had one trooper who was a marginal shooter. But when a man with a shotgun threatened him. He shot 4 rounds at 4 yards and hit him all in center mass. He was a poor shooter but he did not freeze and he acted as he had been trained. He defalted to his level of training. We also had one trooper who not having worked patrol for several years walked right into an ambush and died. It was sad. I blame the admistration as much as anyone for sending a guy who has not worked the street in 10 years back out without any refresher training. But thats what happened and a good man died. If you keep your head about you you have a better chance of living.

But as the saying goes some times you eat the bear sometimes the bear eats you.
Pat

 

[Navy joe]

I drive a Ford F-150 pick up. My life depends on how well I can manipulate the controls of this vehicle. However,I occasionally drive my wife's Dodge Intrepid, my mom's Chevy Impala,my neice's Toyota Cellica, my bro-in-laws 1966 Chevelle SS/396 ( Now there's a blast from the past!) and many other vehicles. Same with my guns. I carry a Kimber .45 ACP every day but I also shoot many other guns. Life is too short to be limited. YMMV.

Driving around town going 55 is akin to shooting at one of those public ranges where you are allowed one shot per 3 seconds. Any knucklehead could do well with any gun. Now go drive all those cars to their absolute mechanical limits, tire adhesion being my favorite, and tell me you can do as well with any of them and no refresher training.

Folks that shoot all guns equally well with no break-in period are most likely not shooting at anywhere close to their or their gun's potential. Case in point, you will not see Rob Leatham shooting his Open blaster 1 week before he takes an XD to the Factory Gun Nationals. Wild Bill didn't run out and buy the new-fangled Starr or SAA revos. Stick with what you know, or switch only when you devote the time to re-learning a gun from square one.

 

[tc300mag1]

I think that would apply more if you were a cop or someone who has to relie on his weapon every day

 

[355sigfan]

I think that would apply more if you were a cop or someone who has to relie on his weapon every day

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It applies to any one who carries a gun for defense. For me I have serious guns for work those are what I shoot the majority of the time and I shoot them well. Then I have the guns I have for fun. These guns are showed off and shot occaisionally but they are not carried.
Pat

 

[strambo]

I also think the direction you go with platforms is important. For example, if your primary carry is a Glock and you switch to 1911, you may forget the safety under stress untill your very well trained with the 1911. However, if your primary carry is the 1911 and you tote a Glock on rare occasions, no problem, subconsciously thumbing down a non-existant safety won't matter to a DAO gun.

Trigger pull diferences could throw you off, but again having a longer, heavier trigger than your used to shouldn't hurt under stress, but a light, short trigger your not used to under stress could cause you to miss or hit real low.

 

[Sgt Stevo]

darndest thing

I put the Question to the test last night. I shoot my Glock 34, then my sig 245. I found that I was not pulling all the way through on the sigs trigger. MY Glock has a 3 lbs trigger. I would pull the trigger in single action on the Sig, and think it did not go off. Then realized, I had not pulled it all the way. Weird. I can see how this would get you hurt. Thanks for all the good info. Bottom line. I must train more and harder. stevo.......

 

[Werewolf]

Trigger pull diferences could throw you off, but again having a longer, heavier trigger than your used to shouldn't hurt under stress, but a light, short trigger your not used to under stress could cause you to miss or hit real low.

That - my friend - is the understatement of the year.

A while back I switched from a Glock 22 to a Sig P220 for daily carry.

Prior to the switch I spent a lot of time practicing with the Sig - 95% of which was done by pulling the trigger from a hammer back position - i.e. SA. I also practiced the DA pull because that would be the necessary pull with a Sig 220 first shot (unless I cocked the hammer as I drew the weapon which at the time I had decided not to do).

The last thing I did was to practice presentation and double tap. I do this with weapon holstered and someone standing behind me who at a random time yells go.

The first time I did it I almost crapped my pants. I pulled the weapon and made my first shot DA. Now anyone who's ever shot a Sig knows that the DA pull is long and the SA pull is short - for me at least. Anyway after the DA shot my finger naturally returned to the DA position (remember I had been using a Glock for a long time) and nothing was there - no trigger touched my finger because it was now in the SA position about an inch or so farther back from the DA position. I was in double tap mode - it took me a few seconds to realize what was going on and even then I blew the second shot.

That little incident scared the bejeezus out of me because prior to that I was convinced that going from one gun to another wasn't that big of a deal. I imagined what could have happened had I not practiced with the Sig and presentation and been tossed into a real SHTF situation. Lucky for me I knew enough to practice. Now I can go back and forth between a Glock, a Sig and a CZ with ease but it took practice.

 

[Berg01]

My small arms instructor stressed the point that you need to practice dilligently with any gun that you plan to carry; he never said that you had to limit yourself to one kind of gun; this guy can shoot Glocks or Sigs like I could only dream about. The guns you already own are all high quality pieces; select one that you would want to carry (when you can carry) and then concentrate your training on that one piece; shoot the others for variety and a little fun.

 

[Angus MacDuff]

You will eventually have both so flip a coin at this time. I do like the G 34 and G 35, but prefer the SIG 220 for .45ACP.

 

[Brass Balls]

Both!

I have a handful of Glocks and they have all been terrific tools. I only own one Sig a P220 .45 and I like everything about it better than the Glocks except for the double action trigger.