SKS with AK Mags, SWEET!

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The Jackal

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I went out shooting this weekend with a buddy. His brother gave him an SKS which uses AK mags for some back rent he owed. It was a nice SKS. So I went looking for one.

A guy that works at a local gun shop out here (in AZ) said that the supply is limited. Apparently this is a Chinese modification and we have a trade embargo that prevents more from being imported. I have seen them online for about $250 or so. This is way to high for me. An AK is $260-300.

It was sweet to see this SKS unload 25rnds as fast as you can pull the trigger though.
 
they are sweet, abuddy of mine has a norinco sks that takes AK mags. Its a great rifle, way more accurate than any AK you will ever buy:D
 
Gunstore Commando said:
...since this is such an obviously good idea, how come the original owners (i.e., the Red Army, etc.) never got around to doing this?

Because they already had AKs (and plenty of them).
 
The Chinese have actually made guns that are loosely bases on the SKS design, the models(68 ? and something else I forget)

Designed by someone named Tang Wenlie(sp)

They were/are used by the PRC in addition to the AK pattern guns. My book, Small arms of the World laying around here somewhere talks about them.
 
Got one

Its a great rifle, way more accurate than any AK you will ever buy

Bigtime. It my favorite "let's burn some ammo and actually HIT something" gun. They are hard to find, but they're out there, and much better to spend $250-300 for one of these than for an AK(heck EVERYONE has an AK:evil: )
 
Not that there is anything wrong with the SKS-M/D, but my major qualm is that it can be a lot harder to get the mags to seat in them than it is to use a stripper clip. It may just be my perception, but it's easier to load mags into an AK also.
 
That type 63 is very cool and interesting. It's clearly an SKS/AK hybrid. Most of the SKS receiver is gone, a regulator is on the gas tube and the bolt/carrier/recoil spring look just like AK parts (no tilting bolt). Doesn't look like much of an improvment to the SKS to me.

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Kurush said:
Actually, the AK-47 was adopted two years before the SKS.

EDIT:By Russia that is.
The SKS was adopted(SKS-45) and produced first.

http://www.simonov.net/chronology.htm

That is an odd thing about the Russian implimentation of the two rifles. The SKS was designed first, prototypes fought in combat in WWII, it was designated in 1945, yet they stuck with M-44 Mosin bolt actions until three years after the AK-47 was designated, when the SKS finally went into production in 1949. Then right after, in 1951, the AK-47 enters production and the SKS starts to get phased out (in Russian service. However, it soldiers on for quite a while as an "export model"). It's almost like they just weren't sure about the AK until it actually started coming off the assembly lines. Of course both rifles took four years to get to production, so maybe it just took them that long to tool up manufacturing.
 
Perhaps it was just my friends model, but the mag was tuff to get in. It felt like it was in and even snapped into place, but the action would catch on the top of the mag if it was not seated just right.

To bad the Mosin was never made semi-auto. I love those rifles. The bolt action is what slows it down. A semi version would have been sweet and had a hell of a punch!
 
The Jackal said:
To bad the Mosin was never made semi-auto. I love those rifles. The bolt action is what slows it down. A semi version would have been sweet and had a hell of a punch!

well, there was the Tokarev rifles. The SVT-38 and SVT-40. Both chambered in 7.62x54
 
DMK said:
The SKS was adopted(SKS-45) and produced first.
I stand corrected. I was confusing the production date (1949) with the adoption date.

That is an odd thing about the Russian implimentation of the two rifles. The SKS was designed first, prototypes fought in combat in WWII, it was designated in 1945, yet they stuck with M-44 Mosin bolt actions until three years after the AK-47 was designated, when the SKS finally went into production in 1949. Then right after, in 1951, the AK-47 enters production and the SKS starts to get phased out (in Russian service. However, it soldiers on for quite a while as an "export model"). It's almost like they just weren't sure about the AK until it actually started coming off the assembly lines. Of course both rifles took four years to get to production, so maybe it just took them that long to tool up manufacturing.
We tend to think of the AK as being very cheap to produce, but the original AK-47 had a milled steel receiver. With that large, intricate milled receiver it was very expensive and slow to produce and wasn't widely issued until 1956. It was only in 1959 that the stamped steel receiver AKM was designed and the AK became cheap and ubiquitous.

What's even more strange is that early prototype AK-47s did use a stamped receiver, but when it started being mass produced that design was discarded in favor of the milled receiver.
 
There is not a "kit" for a SKS to convert it to use AK mags. This is due to the AK magazine being wider than the opening in the SKS receiver for the factory 10rd mag. The receiver requires milling to widen the magazine well,welding in a front magazine catch,and cutting the front of the trigger group off then welding a Ak mag catch on it. Also the bolt needs to be milled to narrow it so it will fit between the feed lips of the AK magazine.
I have a scan of one of the gun show booklets "Converting a SKS to use AK mags". If any one would like me to send them the file just email me at [email protected]
 
The reason the SKS was used for so long is (as mentioned before) because the early stamped AK recievers where not very durable so a milled reciever was used. Between the two milled recievers, the SKS is easier to make since it requires fewer milling operations.
 
I've got an SKS-M model...takes the AK mags, has the ugly "Monte Carlo" stock in blonde mystery wood.

It's not much to look at.

And yes, sometimes you've got to try magazine insertion a couple of times.

But, it is a lot more accurate than any AK variant I've every fired or owned.

I love mine.

It's cheap, uses cheap, avalible mags, and I can hit with it.

I have even been able to get reliable hits on "deer" sized targets at the 300 yard line at the local gun club with my SKS-m.

It is by no means a precision rifle, nor even a really accurate semiautomatic.

But I have, more than once, kept all five shots in a five-shot string on a piece of paper 20 inches wide by 36 inches tall at 300 yards, even in a wind that meant I had to hold off the left edge a bit.

The shots were scattered, but they were all there on the paper.

I've gotten that kind of performance both off a bench and from a good solid prone position with sling.

For the money, I think it's fantastic.

hillbilly
 
As to why SKS versus AK, you have to remember that the Soviet designers under Stalin were forced to be very competitive with each other. Simonov, who design the SKS, designed the AVS-36 (Avtomatic Vintova Simonova) which failed in action. Simonov corrected the problems with the AVS but was beaten out by Tokarev's SVT-38 and the later SVT-40 (rumor is that Stalin liked Tokarev better than Simonov, but who is to say?). After the war, Simonov, Tokarev, and Kalashnikov all competed in designing the new rifle post war. Simonov's design was accepted as it had been designed during the war, more or less, and is called by us SKS-45 on occaision. (Kalashnikov wasn't finished) and placed into service. The AK was not evolved from the SKS in the least, and beyond some similar contours in the gas system plus the common round are unrelated. The AK was clearly the better weapon.

The SKS was continued in production for reasons I cannot say other than as a hedge against the AK and, with tooling and facilities in place, producing a rifle that can be used for guards or other second line troops was a possible consideration.

And, you can use the SKS to tell which nations were more friendly to the Soviets than others. Those nations which were supported by and were more supportive of the Soviets, or were considered more stratiegic against the West recieved AK designs (Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria) whereas the nations that were not so friendly but not aligned against the Soviets, such as China, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Albania, went the SKS route. This provided weapons to fight against the west without providing weapons that were of the same combat capability. The Yugos kept the SKS design longer because the SKS was better at launching rifle grenades. The Albanians were late adopting the SKS and never used it front line. However, the Romanians and Albanians were Maoist in their brand of communism and Tito was a bit of an Iron Curtain maverick in Yugoslavia.

In the 1970's distrubiting AK's as foreign aid became quite popular for the Soviets (especially since they had adopted a new rifle, the 74, and a gazillion .30 caliber Ak's about).

Who can explain the Chinese? They issued SKS's, AK's, and Mosin Nagants at the same time. They call the AK a rifle and the SKS a carbine, when the AK is clearly shorter than the SKS (I know, I know, their rifles are all Type rifles of some kind). Many SKS's were made for export, and many were made for use by the peasant army while the AK's were kept for front line service.

Ash
 
I saw a Norinco sks in "Very Good" to "Excellent" Condition at a local store for $212. It has all matching numbers, fixed magazine, and a spike bayonet. Is this rifle a good deal? (I am afraid that it is and It will be sold tomorrow.:( ) Should I go first thing tomorrow and snatch it up?

/No I am not telling what store it is at.:p
 
Crosshair said:
I saw a Norinco sks in "Very Good" to "Excellent" Condition at a local store for $212. It has all matching numbers, fixed magazine, and a spike bayonet. Is this rifle a good deal? (I am afraid that it is and It will be sold tomorrow.:( ) Should I go first thing tomorrow and snatch it up?

/No I am not telling what store it is at.:p


Unless it an SKS-D or SKS-M that takes detachable mags I would pass.

I just picked up my Norinco for $75 in very good condition. I wouldnt expect that good of a deal but ~$150 shouldnt be too difficult to find. Or there is always one of the Yugo SKSs that can be bought in unissued condition for $150.
 
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