Sling help with my 870

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bikejunky

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I am getting ready to take a defensive class with my 870 and they require a sling. My 870 is equipped with a blackhawk cheek pad and shell holder. I would like to keep the pad or something similar but want to attach my sling on top of the rear stock. Has anyone found a way to accomplish this or is there a cheek pad out there that will hold shells and has a top sling attachment. Thanks for you help.

Jeff
 
Do you have sling studs on your 870? If you do, you can make a traditional 2 point sling for under $5 from your Hardware store.

You'll have to pick up a Uncle Mike's attachments such as the QD mounts. Then go to your hardware store and buy some HD 1.5" wide nylon web, and 2 1.5" wide slide locks.

There's also Specter Gear which has an assortment of premade slings.

www.spectergear.com

Good luck!
 
Tactical slings often attach to the bottom but wrap around the stock so that the gun hangs upright in front of you. If that makes sense...
 
I would like a sling attachment that allows the shotgun to hang in the ready/upright position. The pics below show the cheek pad that I like due to the siights.

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I tried to install a buttstock top sling mount from viking tactics but it just doesn't work right. I would really just like a cheekpad witht the sling mount integrated.

Thanks
Jeff
 
You might be able to sneak a sling strap underneath that cheekpad, but I wouldn't count on it. If you're handy, maybe you can make your own with webbing and such. Just look at pics of commercial models to figure the shape and such.

Basically, I think you'll need a custom sling to keep that cheek pad. but maybe not, I'm no expert.
 
I think your current set up is fine the way it is. I'd just put a standard carry sling on it and go with that. I'm also taking another shotgun class the weekend after next and I'm going with a standard carry sling on my 870. In the last shotgun class I took with Louis Awerbuck, there eleven shooters with multiple different types of sling set ups. He showed us techniques for each type of sling set up. Your instructor should also do the same. I will also bring a GG&G single point sling plate and my single point sling but I won't have neither installed unless the class calls for it. Keep it simple. Here's what I'm bringing to my class to include my dump pouch. My side arm will be a G19 in a Comp-Tac paddle holster with two 17 round G17 magazines carried in a Comp-Tac double mag pouch.

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Flip
 
Bikejunky, you probably could kludge something together but I doubt that you would be happy because the direction in which you're trying to go isn't likely to be profitable. Well within the first few hours of a good, intensive combat shotgun course you'll probably be cursing that cheekpad/shotshell holder and want it off.

That shotgun is fighting itself and you'll probably be fighting it. One of my Remington 870s is the rough equivalent of yours: 18" barrel, rifle sights, 2 round (not 3) magazine extension, and SpeedFeed stock. The forend on mine is a SureFire weaponlight, and it's there for a reason not as adornment or to impress an attacker with my tactical coolth. I do have a SideSaddle for it but I've never figured out whether or not I need or like it, so sometimes it's on and sometimes it's off. For the past few months it's been off.

My own experience with this kind of shotgun is that it needs to be highly maneuverable and as lightweight as possible. I regret the weight of the SureFire forend but, as I said, the light is essential for me. The SideSaddle isn't essential, only nice to have six extra rounds onboard, so because it makes the shotgun klutzier I and adds weight can't decide finally whether it adds or detracts. You know my current decision. Next month it might change. Sometime after that it likely will change again. I wouldn't add any more weight to mine under any circumstances.

A shotgun for home defense is artillery in Massad Ayoob's view, and I agree with him about holing up in a safe room and holding off home invaders while awaiting the arrival of the police. Clearing rooms is not part of my job description and never will be if I have anything to say about it. That said, I still want that shotgun to be light, fast, and maneuverable because I can't count on anbody asking me my preferences while trying to kill me.

Instead of beating that moribund horse any further, let me make some positive suggestions.

Consider losing that cheek pad/shell holder. With the magazine extension and SideSaddle you're already hauling around thirteen or fourteen rounds. If you have the shotgun slung around your neck and need to drop it for the purpose of transitioning to a handgun right off the bat you'll be dragging around a boat anchor. Imagine what you need to support when you add another five or six rounds in the cheek pad/shell holder. That's not only added weight but also lessened maneuverability.

We might be built differently but I have rifle sights on several different shotguns and don't need a cheek pad to use them. My cheek just goes where it's supposed to go on the stock and welds there.

Perhaps adding to the puzzle is that my shotguns all are cut down to 13" length of pull instead of the standard 14". That lowers my eye. The cheek pad raises yours. I wonder if I could mount your shotgun fast and hit anything unless I moved my cheek to some awkward position for me.

At any rate, without that cheek pad/shell holder the world of slings opens wide. I've used simple carry straps built according to the specifications someone else gave you here: those are only a way to carry the shotgun safely at the range. For other purposes I've worked with various other slings. Most aren't agreeable to me. Two stand out.

The two I'd recommend to your consideration are the inexpensive Boonie Packer and the much more expensive Vickers Combat, which is available also in a less expensive Victory version. Take a look at their web sites, see which interests you, then call them with a description of your shotgun and ask for their advice about what will work best for your needs. I've found them both to be trustworthy advisors.

Another possibility is perhaps less realistic for you because it requires some small modifications of the shotgun to accept the H&K GP-3 web sling that is now hard to get. And its best use invoves a learning curve. The other two I mentioned mimic some of those uses, are easier to acquire and install, and probably are quicker to learn.

Whew. I'm ought of breath from trying to pack so much into a relatively short space. I hope it makes sense to you.

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Flip180 posted just before I did and I hadn't seen his message until after I posted this one.

Look at his shotgun to see an illustration of what I mean about light and maneuverable. Look also at his dump pouch, and do get one--a good one--for yourself. Hang it on your belt at about 7 o'clock and dump two or three boxes of shells into it fast whenever you get a chance. That's your ammunition supply. Just make sure not to mix slugs, buck, and birdshot in it. Never. No. Nyet. My favorite dump pouch is the one from Maxpedition because it folds up unobtrusively when not in use, so I tend to keep one on my belt most times when I'm near firearms. It's a habit, nobody ever seems to notice it, and the one or two people who have noticed thought it was a small case for Kleenex. (People perceive what they expect.)
 
I never have understood why anyone would put a sling on a fighting shotgun except for cops who may need both hands free for other duties, and hunters who have to walk for hours. I shoot in combat shotgun matches that require reloads on the clock and the last thing I need is a flapping strap getting between my hand and the loading port.
 
Owen, the original poster said that the course he is taking requires a sling.

I wonder if those combat shotgun matches replicate the conditions of the tactical shotgun training I take or, perhaps, whether they have the same relationship to it as IDPA matches have to self defense.

Every tactical shotgun course I've taken requires the student to have a slung shotgun, just as every handgun course I've ever taken requires students to have holsters. Otherwise students would have to stand or walk around with their guns in their hands. Transition drills--shotgun to handgun--would be difficult, awkward, or impossible without slings on the shotguns.

I agree that it's not a good idea to have a flapping strap getting between the shooter's hand and the loading port. It doesn't take long to learn how to avoid that problem when one has a proper sling that has been properly installed. The slings on my shotguns are installed on the support side and come horizontally from the stock to the tip of the forend. There's no flapping strap to intervene between my hand and the loading port on any of them.

In any event little of this is relevant to the question asked or raised. I wouldn't want to tell the original poster not to bring a sling to that course when the instructor required it.
 
I will probably bring a couple slings and just see what works. My prefered sling is the viking tactics Vtac sling. I have a couple extra buttstock adapters I can try too. We are required to have a sling for transitions to side arm and thought that I would run a some what same set up as on my carbines and rifles.

The reason for the cheek pad is that my other 2 870s for trap and another defensive one us the front bead and when I shoulder it, I naturally have a very low cheek hold and with the pad it helps me shoulder this shotgun faster.

I am not apposed to taking the pad off or using a traditional sling. I am going to the class with an open mind and I will see what works. I do appreciate all of the feedback and help everyone has offered.

Jeff
 
Bikejunky, I like your approach to the course. You're there to learn and get expert advice from a good instructor, so make the most of it.

If you don't mind my asking, which instructor?
 
I naturally have a very low cheek hold and with the pad it helps me shoulder this shotgun faster.

Moleskin self adhesive pads will raise that comb.
Bear in mind, if you use more than one, and get too much moleskin toward face, horizontal POA/POI "can" be affected as this essentially changes the Cant.

These pads should be in a range bag anyway...

Once the measurements are tweaked for gun fit, a nicer pad can be had...
Just I always stayed with Moleskin...Eclectic fashion sense me and all...

Art & Science...
 
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