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nemesis ....... I like your thinkin buddy ...... a lot!! We are ...... on the same page.

I had another thought too ....... I'd guess that if there's any one carry device out there, that just might ''beat'' a frisk ........ then this could be it. Cops may ''make'' you but doubt a BG would. ;)
 
I will second that. Nemesis, it sounds like you have the right mindset. I especially like the part of not willing to be the ATM for the scum of the earth.
 
There is one thing that bothers me about some of our assumptions about the usefulness of a gun when a person has been taken by surprize and is under direct attack. If I am sitting in my car and someone walks up to me and puts his Lorcin .25 caliber pistol in my ear, I think it would be suicide to attempt to draw (IWB) on him if I am this far behind the curve. I would imagine a similar situation with a knife carrying mugger wanting my wallet.

I don't see a problem with drawing your gun after you've handed over your car or wallet and politely asking for it back.

Another issue with the carjacking is where you are. Can you simply drive off? If so, why not?

A favorite story i heared was when a carjacker approached from the passenger side in traffic and stuck his gun through the window. The driver put his hands up, yelled "don't hurt me" and opened the driver side door to get out. the carjacker ran around the front of the car to get to the drivers side. the second the guy was infront of the car the driver mashed the accelerator smashing the bandit inbetween his car and the car stopped infront of him, resulting in a double femur fracture. The perp dropped so the driver reversed and repeated.
 
Nemesis, you sound like you are much more experienced than me. I was looking at the problem from a convenience and lifestyle standpoint. I admit that I am green in this area. To me, the smartcarry option makes carry possible when an IWB would not be an option. So, I would rather have a gun that is 1-2 seconds away than no gun at all.
dave, you are quite right.

I use Thunderwear often in circumstances that are not conducive for a IWB option. The whole tuckable IWB thing is a joke IMO. It may work for some folks in some situations, especially at restaurants and shopping where other people will not be intereacting with you on a direct level (i.e., will not focus on you specifically). There is no way I could get away with this at work, nor would I try since I would be discovered within a day or two and be the laughingstock of the office. I can carry a J-Frame comfortably in Thunderwear all day at the office. It is not the ideal mode of carry, but then again, anything short of OWB on the strong side hip with a thick belt is less than ideal. So we compromise - a less ideal form of carry in order to achieve a truly concealed (and I would also say comfortable) form of carry.
 
What about a SmartCarry for your main CCW, and for a back-up rig have something like a shoulder holster mounted insude your coat/ jacket?
 
The whole tuckable IWB thing is a joke IMO. It may work for some folks in some situations, especially at restaurants and shopping where other people will not be intereacting with you on a direct level (i.e., will not focus on you specifically). There is no way I could get away with this at work, nor would I try since I would be discovered within a day or two and be the laughingstock of the office.

Your sense of "humor" is most interesting. I'm curious as to how long you actually used a tuckable before you came to this conclusion. I carry a Springfield Ultra-Compact (Officers Model) .45 every day at work in a tuckable holster and nothing has yet been noted by anyone. I'm intrigued by what sort of strange place you work at that you "would be discovered within a day or two and be the laughingstock of the office"!!!

Please read what you have written. Your self-confidence as expressed is not comforting. YOU have convinced YOURSELF that you are doomed to be discovered and, when this happens, they will laugh at you.

In my own humble, personal and poorly informed opinion, I would venture a guess that your sum total of concealed carry experience is minimal. That, in itself, is not a sin and is something which we must all make our way through.

On the other hand, it does not endow you with great credibility. May I, respectfully, suggest that further carry experience may influence your opinions and your carrying practises.

I don't think they would laugh at you.
 
Nemesis, this is not a criticism. Living in California, if my coworkers and other misc. aquaintances knew I carried a gun, they would think I was a freek and dangerous. You and I know it is not the case. But, I can not overemphasize the magnitude of the complete misunderstanding of the right and need to be armed. I could easily see how some of my kids friends would not be allowed to come over and play. I believe him when he says people would react negatively.

I believe every person has the right to be armed at all times without the need for a permit because of the second ammendment. I believe you and I have more of a right to a fully automatic M16 than we do to a Ruger 10/22. Basically, all the gun laws are illegal. I believe that it is my God given duty and responsibility to be armed and prepared to protect my family.

This is a minority opinion.
 
My evaluation of the argument was that it hadn't been tried but had been discarded. One of the biggest mistakes people make is to try to conceal a full sized service pistol yet they condemn the holster.

I concede with your commentary regarding the opinions of the uninformed sheeple re: those of us who carry. What I do find fault with is his argument that a tuckable IWB "is a joke" Or that it is inevitable that he would be discovered. I disagree.

A reasonable size pistol in a tuckable IWB holster really does become invisible. There are people whom I spend a lot of quality time with that have no idea that I carry yet I carry full time, always.

Concealed carry is something of an art but it must be balanced. That requires the pistol and the holster to be well considered prior to carrying. Additionally, we must condition ourselves in how we dress and behave. Carrying a tuckable means learning how to tuck and adjust your shirt to look normal and effect concealability. It is not difficult.

The core of my disagreement is that too many ill informed people make rash judgements and sweeping statements without having the experience that lends credibility. Whatever happened to trying different methods and listening to those that had walked the path before we announce to one and all that the sky is falling?
 
With all do respect the "best" concealment option is also pretty heavily dependent on the person. People's bodies are all shaped a little differently so something that conceals well for one person won't necessarily work for the next guy who's hips/belly/back are shaped differently.

Second, there has been at least one person on THR or TFL that shot themselves very near their family jewels (upper inner thigh) using a smartcarry/thunderwear type holster (holster is a bit of stretch some are more like pouches or pockets). He was very lucky to come out of it with his manhood and major arteries intact. He was carrying a glock and it shifted on him during his daily routine. He went to draw it at night like he had done a thousand times before and his hand wasn't where he thought it was on the gun. Bang! Scared the crap out of him and his wife. His fault for not paying better attention, but it could happen to anybody.

Rule 2: Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. There is no holster exemption. I can live with a crease in my butt should, god forbid, I screw up holstering/unholstering somehow. The alternative with smartcarry/thunderwear is far less appealing.
 
I've been wearing a smartcarry everywhere i go for the last four months or so.

I carry a rather large pistol... An HK USP .45 Compact.

I wear more or less baggy pants and tight t-shirts and this is the only way I can successfully carry totally concealed other than pocket carry...

An AD or ND from wearing this holster would have to come from the same thing all AD/NDs do.... Pulling the trigger.

I can sympathize the glock shifting around, but I personally know very well how my pistol should feel and where my hand is on my pistol at all times.

Besides..... people shoot themselves all the time with every concevable carry method. This one is no different and, in my opinion, no more or less dangerous.
 
I've been wearing a smartcarry everywhere i go for the last four months or so.
Does that include work? I'm just curious as to what "everywhere I go" means.

I carry a rather large pistol... An HK USP .45 Compact.
It seems that the choice of a large pistol and tight clothing hinders your choices in carry. It's like painting yourself into a corner, you've limited your options.

An AD or ND from wearing this holster would have to come from the same thing all AD/NDs do.... Pulling the trigger.
My holsters, both IWB and OWB, are all solidly mounted on my belt and don't shift position. All of my holsters shroud the trigger and trigger guard with leather. I can't even touch the trigger until the pistol is unholstered.

What guards your trigger? Is the trigger protected against accidental activation or do you just trust to luck when you reach into your pants to locate your pistol?

Besides..... people shoot themselves all the time with every concevable carry method. This one is no different and, in my opinion, no more or less dangerou
I must confess that you are much better informed than I am, I wasn't aware that "people shoot themselves all the time with every conceivable carry method". I know that lots of poorly trained people, including LEO's, have an unnecessary incidence rate of ND's but I didn't know it was primarily attributable to the holsters.

One thing I know for sure, having the choice of an ND in Thunderwear or with a regular holster isn't much of decision for me to make.
 
I carried my Glock 27 all day in my Smartcarry today. Went to lunch, took the kids to the mall ect... My gun was in condition 3. I would not EVEN consider having a loaded chamber. The gun can be accessed in less than 2 seconds and ready to fire. I have a Cuda Maxx 5" folder in my pocket and I have 15 years of Karate and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. All this, plus a very aware mindset and I feel more than prepared.

My gun is just part of my overall self defense plan.
 
Have any of you considered an ankle holster? I know that they aren't really "in style" now, but I like them. I spend a large amount of my time driving, so an ankle holster works well for me. I prefer the AnklePocket.

Deep concealment holsters (like the smartcarry/thunderwear) are just that - deep concealment holsters. They allow you to have a gun on you when you otherwise might not be able to, and in trade for that, you give up some accessibility. I have a "chest band" holster that I use for the same purposes, and it has the same drawbacks.
 
Excellent thread guys, I've been looking for a way to carry more than my centennial (carried in an Uncle Mike's #3 pocket holster tucked in my belt at 11 o'clock under my shirt). I'd like to carry my Colt 1991a1 Compact more often and have been considering one of the tuckables.

Nemesis, could I ask which tuckable you've been using for your 1911 compact so successfully?

Thanks all,

Frank
 
Besides..... people shoot themselves all the time with every concevable carry method. This one is no different and, in my opinion, no more or less dangerous.

There are a few very bad places to get shot. The crotch is one of them because a lot of major blood vessels run through there. I would rather not point a gun directly at them if I have a choice about it. Its not as bad as carrying a gun pointed at your head, neck, or heart, but its definitely in the running for number 4.
 
Nemesis, could I ask which tuckable you've been using for your 1911 compact so successfully?

Frankly, Scarlett.............oops!

I started out a few years ago with a Galco Deep Cover tuckable IWB. It was pretty good but positioned the butt of the gun too close to the waistband. I took the holster to a local shoe repair and had 1 inch removed from the "TAB" (the leather piece which connects the belt to the lower muzzle portion of the holster). This had the effect of raising the holster 1 inch. Unfortunately, the shoe repair sewed it back on at an angle, with the tab angled back. Too bad! This gives the holster a slight forward rake and improves the fit and the presentation.

If it matters, I usually carry a Springfield Ultra Compact or a Para Ordnance C7.45. Both are Officers Model equivalents.

Using a tuckable properly entails a bit of learning as to how to tuck your shirt in and spread the excess material to look normal. It's a learning process, not impossible.

The newer Galco Deep Covers use a synthetic "TAB" and can't be as easily reworked for personal convenience. Thankfully, High Noon has created a tuckable that is a near duplicate of the Deep Cover and that is the one I would buy, if I were looking for one now.

Hidden Impact

How well does this concealment method work? Today, a coworker came up to me and presented me with his new CHL license/card. I professed to not know what it was but I was very surprised to learn it was a "gun license". He told me he can now carry concealed weapons and encouraged me to get one but I told him I am not really confident about people carrying guns. You may criticize me for that but he advertises that he carries, I don't.

The important fact here is this, this man has never seen me when I wasn't armed; yet, he is trying to enlist me! Now convince me that tuckable IWB doesn't work.
 
Smartcarry vs Tuckables vs IWB vs Mexican Carry vs ...

Howdy:

Good thread.

I think it boils down to doing the best you can with given circumstances while bearing some principles in mind:
1. Concealed means CONCEALED.
2. Quality belts & holsters are the best way to go. When it comes to leather, you get what you pay for. Kydex is another story, however.
3. Whatever method, gun, cover garments, are chosen, remember to BRING A GUN, 'cause that Owl Gore voter whose butt you might save from a brutal raping, torturing, & murdering surely won't.


*Smartcarry*
Smartcarry is a viable option. To dismiss them without having tried it is in the same league as dismissing tuckables without having tried them, IMO.

The only time the muzzle is covering any part of my anatomy is when I deliberately scrunch my thighs together. I don't do that naturally & I don't think many (any?) guys do. When seated, the muzzle is pointing away from me, roughly parallel with the ground. When standing, the muzzle is pointing at the earth. A yoga master practicing his art while carrying might have more issues, however, I'll grant.

The trigger & triggergaurd are covered by the holster material. A proper draw has the trigger finger outside the holster, not inside the holster, even if there is room for the finger. Keep the finger off the trigger until ready to fire, in other words.

Now, the Smartcarry surely isn't the preferred mode of carry. It does, however, have its place. It is particularly good in concealing a large handgun. I would consider it a "deep cover" option for service revos/autos.

*Tuckables IWB*
I haven't had as much luck with these as some of y'all. I may try another soon, given some of y'all's experiences. Any models you'd recommend? I have tried a couple, currently not in use (Galco Deep Cover & another that slips my mind). I had three issues:
1. Weapon would not reamain in place. It would generally tilt one way or the other during the day.
2. Keeping the shirt tucked around it. I would wear an appropriate overshirt, but the durn shirt would kinda work its way up & loose. I found myself adjusting my shirt seveal times/day.
3. The visible clips/straps scream "I'm packin', baybee!" Maybe if I also kept my phone mounted near/beside them?

*Std IWB*
Really good method with the right holster & belt. My favorite for when I wear just an undershirt & untucked overshirt.

*OWB*
Most comforatable, least concealable. Long bbls are the bane of OWB.

*Pocket*
I can do it with an AMT .45BU, Kel-tec P40, & smaller. As stated above, baby Glocks look like yer totin' a brick. Thin is good, here. If a pistol is what is carried so you can fight your way back to your rifle, a pocket pistol is what you carry to give you time to deploy your main CCW, hidden in a less accessable location (ankle, Smartcarry, etc.).

*Ankle*
As stated before, not the "coolest" way to pack heat these days, but still viable. I learned a neat trick a whlie back for when I wear lace-up boots. Pull on the boot, unlaced. Put on ankle holster with CCW inside the boot around your ankle, but don't secure TOO tightly. Finish lacing up & lace tightly. I like logger boots, lace-up ropers, & the like, so this is common for me. I originally bought a cheap Uncle Mike's just to try it with the intention of replacing it. But the sucker never wore out. Still use it. Sometimes you get more than you pay for [like Uncle Mikes Kydex OWB holsters...the best kydex OWB produced (If they produce it for your make of gun) This might hurt the feelings of those who paid 4X for a similar Kydex plastic ugly holster].

*Western Boot*
Take that pocket holster & pocket pistol & slip it in the top of your cowboy boot, inside left leg for righties. Works too darn well.

*Clipdraw & the like clip IWB*
Not a bad solution for when you want to slip a gun in your waistband & boogie. A quality leather IWB & stiff belt is preferable, but the clips are mighty convenient.

*Mexican Carry*
Just stuff it down yer pants & go. NOT the preferred technique for trips beyond the mailbox. Get a clip or some 550 cord at least.

*550 loop*
Start with some 550 cord. Tie a square knot with safeties & burn the ends. Take the loop, slip it under your belt & back through itself then stuff your pistol through the loop IWB. The universal holster.

*Shoulder*
Never tried it, so can't comment on it. I suspect its utility for civvie CCW is limited. Anybody get any success?

*Fanny Pack (AKA, "Fag Bag;" AKA "Man Purse;" AKA "Shoot ME! Bag")*
I own two, big & small. I generally only carry this way out in the woods where they are common. Do yourself a favor & sew on a non-threatening company logo real prominently on the outside, like Eastpack or North Face. I don't really like these, but they have thier place.

One thing I've learned: your not gonna conceal a gov't model 1911 wearing Speedos, shower shoes, and a light coat of CLP. You gotta dress for success in CCW.
 
I will throw my oar in for one method not touched on yet.
I have a leather vest from Coronado Leather (no it is not like the photo journalist vest I have one of those too) gun fits in a inside pocket on the left and the spare mag cell phone and surefie go in the right. In all except the hottest of Las Vegas weather I have no problem with the heat.
The rig looks good but it has to fit your style of dress.
 

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photographers vests, fanny packs, and Royal Robbins pants scream "I have a gun"
On the deterance front ... I wonder if that is too bad a thing .... vests maybe can be awful loud screaming ''gun'' .... but I see a lot of fanny packs and they always seem a tad less ''screaming'' :)

When I have to use mine in summer ... the snub or Bersa ... whatever --- nestles nicely behind my check book or similar .. I can dive into it in such a way that the gun cannot be seen .. one or two people have commented on how they ''never realized''.

It is still 100% concealed and .. for me - keep the BG's guessing!!
 
I've worn vests sense I was a kid......so for me it's natural...I got a Smith and Alexander concealed vest (you see the ads in most gun mags)It's light weight and doesn't have that "tactical" look.....it's kind of like a long bartenders vest.....:cool:
 
*inhales*


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I've been wearing a smartcarry everywhere i go for the last four months or so.
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"Does that include work? I'm just curious as to what "everywhere I go" means."- Yes that includes work. I was a cab driver in NC have carried at work since before I got my concealed handgun permit. Once I got the CHP, I started carrying the fullsized USP in a crossdraw setup as I always had and the Compact in the Smartcarry.


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I carry a rather large pistol... An HK USP .45 Compact.
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"It seems that the choice of a large pistol and tight clothing hinders your choices in carry. It's like painting yourself into a corner, you've limited your options."- I agree here. Due to the type of clothing I wear I wear the smartcarry as my carry method. But what is your point here? I guess if you mean it's my only option, then yeah... But it's better to have a gun and it not be so easily accessable than not having one at all.


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An AD or ND from wearing this holster would have to come from the same thing all AD/NDs do.... Pulling the trigger.
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My holsters, both I"B and OWB, are all solidly mounted on my belt and don't shift position. All of my holsters shroud the trigger and trigger guard with leather. I can't even touch the trigger until the pistol is unholstered.

What guards your trigger? Is the trigger protected against accidental activation or do you just trust to luck when you reach into your pants to locate your pistol?"- Jfruser said "The trigger & triggergaurd are covered by the holster material. A proper draw has the trigger finger outside the holster, not inside the holster, even if there is room for the finger. Keep the finger off the trigger until ready to fire, in other words." And I couldn't have said it better myself.


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Besides..... people shoot themselves all the time with every concevable carry method. This one is no different and, in my opinion, no more or less dangerou
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"I must confess that you are much better informed than I am, I wasn't aware that "people shoot themselves all the time with every conceivable carry method". I know that lots of poorly trained people, including LEO's, have an unnecessary incidence rate of ND's but I didn't know it was primarily attributable to the holsters." I wasn't inferring that holsters had ANYTHING to do with AD/NDs. Would it be too bold of me to say that MOST AD/NDs are caused by operator error and not equipment?

"One thing I know for sure, having the choice of an ND in Thunderwear or with a regular holster isn't much of decision for me to make."- And in the end, I would rather carry in a regular holster, but "sheeple" scare me and so do cops who don't know the law. So I carry in a method that will NEVER flash accidentally, which was another consideration when choosing the smartcarry.

*exhales*
 
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