So, if Trump is elected...

[alsaqr]

"Any chance you have seen any of the EO's our current POTUS has put into effect?"

There are no EOs pertaining to gun control.

https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders

 

[Officers'Wife]

You're right: they're not "as" worried; they're more worried.

I'm 63-years-old and have yet to see anything like this; this fear of what's going to happen a few months/years down the road. Never have I read of militias threatening revolution if so-and-so's elected (at least not on this scale), or people hightailing it to gun shops in droves to buy guns and ammo like there's no tomorrow (which, more than a few believe, there just may not be a tomorrow as we know it). Sure, Obama, during his first few years in office, put the fear of God into many a gun-owner's soul, but people in 2016 are without a doubt less secure, more fearful of what's to come than they were in 2008; there's no denying that.

I have read reprints of newspapers that have preached rebellion if a certain candidate was elected. IIRC it was from South Carolina in 1860 outlining Lincoln's plan to increase the impact of abominable tariffs. With my vote tomorrow comes a prayer for God and the Saints to protect my country.

Unfortunately as in 1860 we are in the crux between two different economic systems, then agrarian vs industrial and now democracy v socialism. Property rights of any type are not respected in a socialist society and the possession of firearms least of all. I've been asked far too many times why I , as a woman of a minority, do not support Clinton. My answer is simply I do not vote with my vagina but for the concern for my children's future. The Democrat nominee does not answer that concern.

 

[RX-79G]

Unfortunately as in 1860 we are in the crux between two different economic systems, then agrarian vs industrial and now democracy v socialism.

Well, in 1860 we were in the crux between justice and evil. Luckily this election isn't likely to cause a rebellion for the defense of an evil.

 

[Officers'Wife]

Well, in 1860 we were in the crux between justice and evil. Luckily this election isn't likely to cause a rebellion for the defense of an evil.

The causation of the Civil War is neither on topic or relevant for this forum. Only that the modern claims do not match the facts. Should there be a "rebellion" the cause would be states v fed rights just as then.

Added note: Considering the nature of socialism if Trump is elected the rebellion will most certainly be for the establishment of evil. The question is who will be rebelling. I do not believe it will be the citizen that starts it.

 

[Highcaliber]

"Any chance you have seen any of the EO's our current POTUS has put into effect?"

There are no EOs pertaining to gun control.

https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders

No EO's but plenty of EA's

Obama preferred dozens of "Èxecutive Actions" to avoid confronting Congress directly.

Apparently, he is the first modern president to utilize the Executive Action instead of the Executive ORDER. These "actions" do not carry the weight of Law and are not recorded in the Federal Register but we can easily infer his desire for more gun regulations.

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[Ivy Mike]

Prices will fluctuate when Hillary wins, but overall, not much will change.
McDonald v. Chicago basically means that any new gun laws will come at the state level. If you're already in a gun friendly state, don't sweat it.
If you have military age sons though, I'd be very concerned. She's as much of a hawk as Dubya was.

 

[JSH1]

No EO's but plenty of EA's

Obama preferred dozens of "Èxecutive Actions" to avoid confronting Congress directly.

Apparently, he is the first modern president to utilize the Executive Action instead of the Executive ORDER. These "actions" do not carry the weight of Law and are not recorded in the Federal Register but we can easily infer his desire for more gun regulations.

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Here are 1515 from Bush: https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...residential_order&conditions[type][]=PRESDOCU

 

[Ignition Override]

Trump vs. Hillary might not be nearly as serious issue as which party controls the House/Senate, with the power/unity to create, block bills and override a bill passed by the President.

A Senate majority can block an appointee to the Supreme Court. Have you voted for House (if avail.) or Senate candidates?
Nobody is required to answer this (it should be obvious- not always the case...) but no vote = no voice.

 

[Zoogster]

I am voting for Hilary. No not really, but since winner takes all in CA and Hilary winning the state is such a foregone conclusion that they don't even bother campaigning in the state, my portion of the state's electoral vote goes to her whether my district does or not and who I choose only changes the total number in the election not impacting the outcome.
The Candidates don't even seem to waste much effort or money campaigning in California and save it for where it matters. They only come to California for fund raising.

However the congressman I can actually impact, as well as plenty of propositions and other things.



I don't think a lot of the populations' discretionary funds would allow the type of panics we saw with Obama.
Non gun people not in the higher income brackets can't justify spending thousands on guns every few years.
Any real panic would likely be as a result of manufacturers slowing production of items that already saturate the market out of fear of not being able to sell them later and not wanting to make too many and get stuck with unsaleable inventory.
See this in CA where in July they outlawed AR-15s and most other modern semi auto box fed pistol gripped designs with bullet buttons, the feature that re-enabled their sale for about the last decade. Many retailers don't want a lot of inventory of items that they cannot move after the start of the year, so even though the nation is overflowing with such firearms, in California they dry up as they are sold off.
Nobody wants to buy more than they can sell before selling them becomes illegal and they err on the side of less rather than more. They already learned in the last panic when many stocked inventory that cost them more wholesale than they could sell for retail a couple years later.

The hilarious part of the panics is how much mob mentality is involved, rather than logical purchasing. We saw mass sales of handguns in the Obama panics for example as many non gun people ran out to get a gun while they could, even though those guns were not yet likely to be targeted. Likewise ammo being hoarded, when nobody was going after that type of ammo nor had given an inclination of doing so.



Fight hard in other states to resist registration. Once they feel they know where enough of the guns are they start to try and exercise control over them.
The really sad part is the laws the gun crowd has been brainwashed into supporting is what will be used against you.
Register, or felony that makes being armed illegal anyways. And your persecution will be supported by the naive gun crowd backing holding 'criminals' accountable who won't even realize you were one of them.
Prohibited persons being allowed and supported has put the nail in the coffin over the long term.
1968 GCA really was the beginning of the end.
Makes civil disobedience regarding gun laws a lot less effective, because once done the gun crowd will support your disarmament and imprisonment and not come to your aid. So as segments resist non-violently they get alienated and removed.


I would advise everyone to get some guns off the books, and don't store them with guns that are on the books. In most states that is still legal, and why they are trying to end that so called loophole. Of course once outlawed the only real use of a gun is offensive in nature, because you can't be seen or found with it making recreation and self defense with it impractical, and it ceases to be a monetary investment.

 

[roscoe]

The causation of the Civil War is neither on topic or relevant for this forum. Only that the modern claims do not match the facts. Should there be a "rebellion" the cause would be states v fed rights just as then.

Added note: Considering the nature of socialism if Trump is elected the rebellion will most certainly be for the establishment of evil. The question is who will be rebelling. I do not believe it will be the citizen that starts it.

I don't think I understood that post, nor who is establishing what evil. And if it is not by a citizen, it is not a rebellion.

But there will be no rebellion, life will go on like usual, except for some loud, unproductive folks on the fringes who will do no more than hurt the cause of civilian gun ownership. The days of armed rebellion have long passed, and we should be glad.

Exercise your rights at the ballot box and don't whine if you get beat - try again next time.

 

[Highcaliber]

Here are 1515 from Bush: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/search?conditions[president][]=george-w-bush&conditions[presidential_document_type][]=determination&conditions[presidential_document_type][]=memorandum&conditions[presidential_document_type][]=notice&conditions[presidential_document_type][]=proclamation&conditions[presidential_document_type][]=presidential_order&conditions[type][]=PRESDOCU

Those 1515 that you listed from Bush appear to be Presidential Determination Memorandum, which IIRC are a sub type of Executive Order. Those DO carry the full force of the Law just like any other Executive Orders. However, I was referring to Obama's Executive Actions, which are not published to the Federal Register, require no action from Congress and do not carry the full force of Law.

 

[HOWARD J]

Clinton will win this election
You better pray we hold the senate-if not we are in deep.....
She will get to place the next person in the Sup. court--
a death sentence for us
I am sure most of us have all the ammo we need for the
immediate future.
JUST MY THOUGHTS ON THE ELECTION
H

 

[Walkalong]

Keeping the house pro gun and electing a president that will not actively push to put antis on the Supreme Court should be a gun owners main focus.

 

[Deanimator]

Prices will fluctuate when Hillary wins, but overall, not much will change.
McDonald v. Chicago basically means that any new gun laws will come at the state level. If you're already in a gun friendly state, don't sweat it.
If you have military age sons though, I'd be very concerned. She's as much of a hawk as Dubya was.

A Clinton win means that they'll be coming from the Federal level as soon as she can start packing the Supreme Court.

 

[Deanimator]

The causation of the Civil War is neither on topic or relevant for this forum.

Then you probably shouldn't have brought it up.

Your take is as ahistorical and Michael Belliles' was on firearms ownership from the 17th to the early 20th centuries.

 

[Officers'Wife]

I don't think I understood that post, nor who is establishing what evil. And if it is not by a citizen, it is not a rebellion.

But there will be no rebellion, life will go on like usual, except for some loud, unproductive folks on the fringes who will do no more than hurt the cause of civilian gun ownership. The days of armed rebellion have long passed, and we should be glad.

Exercise your rights at the ballot box and don't whine if you get beat - try again next time.

The evil would be socialism.

 

[NoirFan]

If Trump is elected, I hope there is a run on gun and ammo purchases - by minorities. Trump getting elected will be a clear signal to non-White Americans as to just how much half their fellow citizens disdain them. It will also be a signal emboldening our more toxic nativist subcultures to act against their neighbors. If Trump wins I hope there's a flood of 4473 forms turned in with signatures like Patel, Singh, Abdullah, Garcia, and Chang. The right of armed self defense is yours as Americans. Don't allow Trump's thugs and bullies to threaten you if he takes power.

 

[LiveLife]

Keeping the house pro gun and electing a president that will not actively push to put antis on the Supreme Court should be a gun owners main focus.

+1.

Vote!!!

 

[HOWARD J]

If Trump is elected, I hope there is a run on gun and ammo purchases - by minorities. Trump getting elected will be a clear signal to non-White Americans as to just how much half their fellow citizens disdain them. It will also be a signal emboldening our more toxic nativist subcultures to act against their neighbors. If Trump wins I hope there's a flood of 4473 forms turned in with signatures like Patel, Singh, Abdullah, Garcia, and Chang. The right of armed self defense is yours as Americans. Don't allow Trump's thugs and bullies to threaten you if he takes power.

I think The High Road just got a little low

 

[Officers'Wife]

Then you probably shouldn't have brought it up.

Your take is as ahistorical and Michael Belliles' was on firearms ownership from the 17th to the early 20th centuries.

Your ad hom rebuttal is duly noted, rest assured it will be given all the consideration it deserves. And for the record, I brought it up as a reminder the mentioned was off-topic and drift.

 

[Walkalong]

Getting a little too testy and political, so we are done.

Exercise your right to vote today, whatever candidate that might be.