So that's what happened to Iraq's air force...

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From the Globe & Mail, Canada (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030801.wiraq0801/BNStory/International):


Missing Iraqi air force turns up

By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press


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An Iraqi Air Force Su-25 fighter jet wrapped in plastic sits in the sands of the deserted Tamous air base northeast of Baghdad.


Washington — Some of Iraqi's missing air force has turned up down below.

Search teams, some hunting for Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, found dozens of fighter jets from Iraq's air force buried beneath the sands, U.S. officials say.

At least one Cold War-era MiG-25 interceptor was found when searchers saw the tops of its twin tail fins poking up from the sands, one Pentagon official familiar with the hunt said. He said search teams have found several MiG-25s and Su-25 ground attack jets buried at al-Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad.

Iraq's air squadrons were a no-show during the war, and U.S. military officials supposed their pilots stayed grounded because they believed they were overmatched by U.S. and British air power.

Various officials differed in opinion as to whether the buried aircraft could ever fly again. Many of the planes were buried intact with minimal efforts to protect them from the sand.

"Our guys have found 30-something brand new aircraft buried in the sand to deny us access to them," congressman Porter Goss, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said after a recent trip to Iraq. "These are craft we didn't know about."

He said the planes were not considered weapons of mass destruction for which coalition troops have been searching for months, "but they are weapons (Iraq) tried to hide."

Prewar intelligence estimates from earlier this year said Saddam Hussein's regime had about 300 combat aircraft, all of them survivors of the Persian Gulf War. Most were aging Soviet-era MiGs, Sukhois and older French Mirage fighters. The best are MiG-29 Fulcrums, one of the most advanced fighters produced in the Soviet era.

Allied warplanes bombed several planes on the ground, and U.S. Air Force officials say no Iraqi planes were detected flying a combat mission during the war.

Australian troops, who on April 16 captured the Al Asad Airfield, 180 kilometres northwest of Baghdad, found scores of fighter aircraft, including three MiG-25 Foxbats, the fastest combat aircraft today. Helicopters, radar systems and millions of kilograms of explosives also were found.

The aircraft had escaped detection during the coalition bombing campaign. Some were buried or hidden under trees or covered with camouflage sheets. Aircraft destroyed in previous wars were littered across the airfield to make it more difficult for bombers to choose their targets.

Dozens of U.S. forces, meanwhile, raided two houses in Saddam Hussein's home town of Tikrit on Friday, capturing two men they said were important associates of the ousted Iraqi leader.

The soldiers did not identify the captives but said their arrests came in a continuing search for the fugitive former Iraqi dictator.
 
In other news, US broadcasts on Saddam's likely current appearance is being updated.

Based on his tendencies to bury anything of value, US forces are advised to stop and search anybody with an eyepatch, peg-leg and a parrot on their shoulder.

:rolleyes:
 
Bet they'll destroy it...

Darn. Could use a SU-25 Frogfoot in my garage. ;)
 
And so of course it is TOTALLY inconcievable that saddam could not possibly have buried WMD or anything else, right?

You reading this thread, liberals???
 
And so of course it is TOTALLY inconcievable that saddam could not possibly have buried WMD or anything else, right?

Sure. And he could dig them up and shoot them at us in 45 minutes, too. That airplane looks ready to take off any minute.

Hang on tight. Its your last rope.
 
Oh my god. You liberals never quit, do you?????

For the love of god, so the WMD had to be primed, warmed up, targeted, and ready to go at the push of a button in order for you to accept them???

Add another notch on the stick proving that liberalism is a mental disorder.
 
Ship em over to the US, and let us tinker w/ em for a while...i bet we could learn something from training and having our TopGun's flying against them.

Worse comes to worst, sell em surplus....i'll finance one ;)
 
NOTE the source - both credible, and lefty-biased.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/ma...01.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/08/01/ixnewstop.html

Evidence of WMD plotting found in Iraq
By David Rennie and George Jones
(Filed: 01/08/2003)


The United States has found evidence of an active programme to make weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, including "truly amazing" testimony from Iraqis ordered to dupe United Nations inspectors before the war, the man leading the hunt said yesterday.

David Kay, a former UN inspector and now the CIA's leading consultant who is joint head of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), offered an unprecedentedly bullish assessment of the hunt for weapons of mass destruction.

Although he called for patience, he predicted that doubters were in for a "surprise" by the time his work was done.

His 1,400-strong team of American, British and Australian experts scouring Iraq has not yet found actual biological or chemical weapons, Mr Kay told private Senate hearings in Washington. But there was mounting evidence of an active WMD programme, he said.

That evidence included documents detailing how to conceal arms plants as commercial facilities, and for restarting weapons production once the coast was clear, officials told reporters.

Leading Democratic congressmen, like many Labour MPs, have questioned pre-war claims made by President George W Bush and Tony Blair that Saddam Hussein had large arsenals of banned weapons, ready for use. Such critics have said they will not be satisfied by anything short of physical proof.

But the first significant evidence of programmes to develop WMD is a potential lifeline for Mr Blair in his battle to prove to a sceptical public that the war was justified and that the Government did not mislead Parliament.

There was a sense of relief in Whitehall yesterday that the Prime Minister, who has staked his reputation on the Iraq war, could yet be vindicated.

After all the controversy over the Government's earlier claims about Saddam's weapons, Mr Blair is being deliberately cautious in public. However, he will leave for a family holiday in Barbados considerably reassured.

Officials said he was "aware that progress is being made" but was anxious not to overstate what had been uncovered so far.

At his end-of-term press conference in Downing Street on Wednesday, the Prime Minister appeared more confident that evidence of weapons programmes would be found and urged his critics not rush to judgment.

He referred to the interviews being conducted by Mr Kay's team with scientists and experts who were working on Iraq's weapons programmes. Asked specifically if they had found something, Mr Blair replied: "Let us wait and see when they come up with their report what the true facts are."

Mr Blair has already sought to prepare the public for the growing possibility that no actual weapons of mass destruction will be found - only evidence of programmes to develop such weapons.

Glenda Jackson, the Labour MP for Hampstead and Highgate and a former minister, said the Government had argued before the war that there were actual weapons not just programmes.

"We were not told the danger came from programmes or documents - that we were in real danger from tons of confetti. If the weapons aren't there, then I am afraid someone deliberately misled us," she said last night.

In Washington, Mr Kay appeared concerned to stem the growing perception that Saddam might have had no weapons programme at all.

Though a former UN inspector himself, he was blunt about the limitations of the inspections before the war.

Briefing officials and Congress on the first five weeks of work by the coalition team, he said: "We have found new evidence of how they successfully misled inspections of the UN and hid stuff continuously from them.

"The active deception programme is truly amazing once you get inside it. We had people who participated in deceiving UN inspectors now telling us how they did it.

"We have Iraqi scientists who were involved in these programmes who are assisting us in taking them apart."

After the private briefing, he said: "We are making solid progress. It is going to take time."

He said a programme shielded by security and deception over 25 years would not be easy to unravel.

Mr Kay dismissed reports that his search teams had run out of sites to explore. They were gaining the "active co-operation" of Iraqis involved in WMD manufacture.

Scientists and officials were coming forward in ever greater numbers and were leading the teams to key sites, almost all of them previously unknown to Western intelligence.

Solid evidence was being uncovered, but would not be made public hastily, until the teams had "solid proof", Mr Kay added. However, he predicted that public patience would be rewarded.
 
WOW! Sadam really new how to "Ground" a pilot. :D

Skunkape wrote:
Sure. And he could dig them up and shoot them at us in 45 minutes, too. That airplane looks ready to take off any minute.

Read the DiFi running for california thread. Someone there advance the notion that We've got the evidence on WMD but that its being held till the presidential race heats up. When the dem canidates have fully climbed on board the "Where's the WMD Mr. Bush" bandwaggon, hell relase the evidence and cut them off at the knees; if not higher than the knees.

I love it. Its so sneaky I wish I thought of it.
 
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