So...what do you guys think of palladium?

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Justin Time

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Since intel's new chips are going to contain palladium(Fritz Chip) and windows vista with DRM(Digital rights management) i was curious what people thought about it. :confused:

"The technology:
TCPA stands for Trusted Computing Platform Alliance. For the technology we will speak from TCP (The trusted computing platform). This plans that every computer will have a TPM (Trusted Platform Module), also known as Fritz-Chip, built-in. At later development stages, these functions will be directly included into CPUs, graphiccards, harddisks, soundcards, bios and so on. This will secure that the computer is in a TCPA-conform state and that he checks that it's always in this state. This means: On the first level comes the hardware, on the second comes TCPA and then comes the user. The complete communication works with a 2048 bit strong encryption, so it's also secure enough to make it impossible to decrypt this in realtime for a longer time. This secures that the TCPA can prevent any unwanted software and hardware. The long term result will be that it will be impossible to use hardware and software that's not approved by the TCPA. Presumably there will be high costs to get this certification and that these would be too much for little and mid-range companies. Therefore open-source and freeware would be condemned to die, because without such a certification the software will simply not work. In the long term only the big companies would survive and could control the market as they would like.
Some could think that it should be possible to get around this security. But probably they would be proved they're wrong. Until now there're no such hardware-implemented security systems and actual security systems have to work offline. This would be changed with TCP. The rights and licenses would be central managed by the TCPA (USA?). And as soon a violation is noticed, they will get notified. Read the chapter "The bills" to get an overview about the possible resulting consequences.

The companies:
The TCPA was founded 1999 by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. But in the meantime around 200 companies joined them. You will find Adobe, AMD, Fujitsu-Siemens, Gateway, Motorola, Samsung, Toshiba and many other well known companies. IBM already sells first desktops and notebooks with integrated TPM.

The bills:
In the USA there's a planed bill, the so called CBDPTA (Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act). First it was callen SSSCA (Security Systems Standards and Certification Act). The new name reads much more harmless. Looks like the first name made it too easy to discover the purpose of this bill.
This bill plans to legally force secure (TCPA-conform) systems. So in the USA it would then not be allowed to buy or sell systems that are not TCPA-conform. Passing this law would be punished with up to 5 years of prision and up to $500.000 fine. The same would apply for development of "open" software. Open means that it would work on systems that're not TCPA-conform.
Even if this bill would only valid in the USA it would have catastrophically effects worldwide. Because US companies are not allowed to develop and sell "unsecure" software, others would have to jump onto the TCP-train, so they would give total control over themself to the TCPA (USA?), or they would have to live completely without software and harware from US-companies. No Windows, Solaris, MacOS, Photoshop, Winamp or to say it short: The largest part of all software that's used on this planet would not be usable.

The consequences:
Thus you're able to determine the consequences for your own situation, we kept this section very generell. But it should be easy to determine the resulting restrictions that would apply for you.


The informational self-determination isn't existing anymore, it's not possible to save, copy, create, program, ..., the data like you want. This applies for privates as for companies
The free access to the IT/Software market is completely prevented for anyone except the big companies, the market as we know it today will get completely destroyed
Restrictions in the usage of owned hardware would apply
The liberty of opinion and the free speech on the internet would finally be eliminated
The own rights while using IT-technologies are history.
The national self-determination of the der particular countries would be fully in the hands of the USA
Probably the world would break into two digital parts (Countries that express against TCPA)
If you now want to read some more in-depth about all this, you should take a look at Ross Andersons detailed FAQ."


http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html
 
I run Linux. I wouldn't trust my own mother to control my computer much less Bill Gates.

I predict it'll just lead to even more piracy because the controls will make legit media too hard to use.
 
I don’t like it. I expect I will have to run 2 computers simultaneously. One Windows based for games, and a Linux box for everything else (I do not like dual-boot setups). I have tinkered with Linux since the early Slackware distributions so I am familiar with it, if it were not for computer games I could transition 100% pretty painlessly.

As far as proposed bills like the CBDPTA, I remember following its development early on before it went on hiatus. I doubt it could be passed in tact. There is no way that the government could “legislate” away open source software. The outcry from everyone ranging from the EFF, to liberal computer science professors, to gun carrying Hoosiers would drown out the opposition.
 
Don't think so.

The gamers drive the industry, not businesses. The great majority of computers are still bought by dopes like me and you. Anything that makes that industry/dope interface unpleasant is bad for business. IF this goes, and that's a big if, it would only affect a small percentage of business computers.

The ONLY reason Windows has so much market is because it is easier to use for the average non-geek than anything else. Microsloth knows were the money is. Make any part of the dope/computer interface more difficult, and the dope goes elsewhere.

I also think it would be a mistake to underestimate the abilities of the average 12 year old to get around this. I deal with (literally) CIA level encryption and security devices, and I don't like the idea of anyone being able to monitor what a secure user (not running management) is doing on the box...it just doesn't make sense from a security standpoint.
 
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