So what is the strongest action ever?

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Coltdriver, I meant P.O. Ackley no disrespect.

Gewehr98 does not do PO Ackley justice!

And I doubt anybody really could do the gentleman justice. Look at what the man did in his day, with what he had at his disposal!

In reverence, I do own a 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum because of his craziness with wildcat loadings. :D
 
Gewehr98,

Anyone who owns PO Ackley's books is all right with me. I just had to raz you a little bit. Not many people have read his books. I have his volume I and II and they are must read material for anyone who is looking into hand loading.

I too got into reloading because of Parkers writing and his work with cartridges. The man was really one of a kind.
 
No problem, Coltdriver.

And I do run some serious, "ohmygawd" .45-70 handloads through my own .45-70 Ruger #1S. Gotta love those 405gr Beartooth bullets whistling along at 2100 fps. I have to go home after shooting just 10 of them on a given day at the range. It's ok, I only need one round for the American Bison I'm going after in the not-too-distant-future. :D

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:D I read Ackley's books as a young boy. Dad got his loads for his .22 Varminter(similar to the .22-250) from Ackley - as I recall it was 35 grains of 3031, behind a 55 gr bullet, for 3800 fps, in reformed .250 Savage cases. can we say DO Not Attempt - this load exceeds all currently published maximum loads :evil:

.250 savage cases were a bit roomier in those days, I guess, Dad never blew anything.

As for me, I would like to have a .22-250 Ackley Improved.

Then again, a .22 Eargesplittenloudenboomer might be fun, too. :evil:

Gewehr - you keep enticing me to go buy a .45-70 with that damn photo. I know where there's one with nice wood. Stop it, damn it. :) Don't you wish Ruger had made their .405 #1's in the medium sporter, instead of the too-heavy tropical rifle?

Anyway, back on topic - I think just about any falling block rifle will burst a barrel before it blows the action. I can't ever recall anyone kabooming a falling block, of any kind.
 
old thread worth reviving, IMHO the strongest bolt action ever made was the Weatherby Mark V, with the Remington model 700 a close 2nd.

If speaking of milsurp actions- the Enfield 1917 is strongest, followed by Mauser 98, then Springfield 1903

I don't know where the Arisaka fits in but I'd assume it's a bit weaker than the Enfield 1917, but stronger than a German Mauser. The Arisaka "may" be as strong or stronger than the Enfield 1917, but I'd have to see it, or read an accurate test, to believe it.

if you read up on the Weatherby torture test, even jamming a bullet in the barrel and firing another behind it, that gun will not blow up.

this is impressive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherby_Mark_V#Proof_Testing_of_the_Mark_V_Action

Proof Testing of the Mark V Action

Weatherby had intended that the new action would be the safest and strongest bolt action available. The rifle was marketed as the "The World's Strongest Bolt Action." The Mark V action has been tested to be able to contain up to 200,000 psi (14,000 bar) of pressure.[4]

The testing of the rifle was conducted on a production rifle chambered for the .300 Weatherby Magnum. Before testing was to be conducted very thorough measurements of the rifle were taken so as to provide a benchmark for the testing which was to be undertaken.[5]

The first test was conducted using a 180 gr (12 g) bullet propelled by 82 gr (5.3 g) of Du Pont #4350 powder. This load provided 65,000 psi (4,500 bar) of pressure. This load did not show any pressure or extraction issues with the new Mark V action but caused a slight sticking of the cartridge case in the Mauser style rifle design. Subsequent testing was performed using the same 180 gr (12 g) bullet and using a powder charge of Du Pont #4350 which increased by increments of 2 gr (0.13 g) for each test thereafter.[2]

The second testing which was conducted with the 84 gr (5.4 g) showed no signs of pressure nor issues with extraction even though the measured pressure was close to 75,000 psi (5,200 bar). Firing this load in the Mauser rifle led to a blown primer and extreme difficulty was experienced in extracting the spent case.[2]

Using 86 gr (5.6 g) of Du Pont #4350 the cartridge began to show signs of pressure in the Mark V action. However, the case did not stick and extraction was performed easily. Breach pressure was found to be between 85,000–95,000 psi (5,900–6,600 bar). Measurements of the spent case showed that the case had stretched at the belt a mere .0005 in (0.013 mm).[2]

The spent case from the 88 gr (5.7 g) test lead to a slightly sticking case which in turn lead to a slight difficulty in opening of the bolt. Measurements from the case belt showed that the belt had expanded from .533 in (13.5 mm) to .535 in (13.6 mm). The pressure generated by this load was 100,000 psi (6,900 bar).

The fifth test conducted used a load of 90 gr (5.8 g) of Du Pont 4350. Firing this load lead to some difficulty in opening the bolt and the case was extracted when opened. The case of the belt still measured .535 in (13.6 mm). A difference in the diameter between the bolt head and the diameter of the barrel of .002 in (0.051 mm) per side was noted. No bulging of the bolt, receiver or the barrel was noted. Headspace was measured to be the same as prior to the testing.[2]

Further testing was conducted with a 180 gr (12 g) bullet lodged in the throat of the barrel. A cartridge loaded with the standard charge of 78 gr (5.1 g) of Du Pont 4350 and a 180 gr (12 g) was fired into the back of the first bullet. It was found that both bullets exited the barrel. The primer had been pierced and the exiting gas entered into the bolt and hit the firing pin sleeve which was loosened slightly. The bolt was opened by hand but the cartridge stayed stuck in the chamber. When the case was tapped out it was found to be in good condition except for its pierced primer. It was found that the barrel, just in front of the receiver ring had expanded from 1.147 in (29.1 mm) to 1.1496 in (29.20 mm). The diameter of the bolt head had expanded from .7178 in (18.23 mm) to .7190 in (18.26 mm). The head space had increased from .2163 in (5.49 mm) to .2174 in (5.52 mm). All other dimensions had stayed constant. This test was conducted 15 times. A test was conducted with a 220 gr (14 g) bullet lodged in the bore of rifle and a 180 gr (12 g) grain bullet was fired into the back of this bullet. The result of this test found that the cartridge case head had expanded to .545 in (13.8 mm). After these additional 15 tests it was found that the head space was set back only a mere .001 in (0.025 mm).[2]
 
Remington 700

The Remington 700 can withstand a 30 caliber bullet being fired through its 280/7mm caliber bore. The story is popular on the net, some guy loaded his Rem 700 280 caliber with one 308 round in the magazine, and on the 2nd shot chambered the 308 and fired it. The larger case taper enabled it to go off, and jammed the gun. He sent it back to the Remington factory. They took it apart, and duplicated the process on another new gun they had, and took measurements. The 30 caliber bullet was swedged down to 28 caliber as it left the bore at over 4700 fps, and 170,000+ psi or more. The gun survived and once unjammed and the case removed, was fully functional. Remington changed out either the barrel or bolt as a safety consideration and returned it to the owner.
 
I remeber reading an article on Ruger's testing the limits of their No 1 Rifles. Ruger engineers took a No1 in 7 mm Rem mag filled the case with Bullseye with a 175 gr bullet on top. The rifle was then test fired,engineers figured preasures to be somewhere north of 100,000 psi but the rifle staued intact. I've had several Ruger No1 mostly 45/70 and have pushed 300 gr bullets upwards of 2400 fps recoil was a beast but if you want to hunt any thing on this continent short of an Abrams M1a this is the route to go.
 
Posted in this thread by Pete F in Dec of 04...
Years ago I was in the gun shop when a guy came in and said he had jammed his model 700. He said he had shot at a deer but the kick was amazing and then he could not get the bolt open. The smith and I went to the basement to figure it out. We pulled the Stock and it was an ADL and he had three 270's and one 308 in the magazine. Putting the barrel vise on the bench and clamping the barrel into it, the smithy tried to lift the bolt. no go. Getting a leather mallet he tapped firmly on the bolt handle. nope.
A lead bar and a ball peen hammer finally got it to move, much wiggling up and down finally got it out. The cartridge head was for all intents welded to the bolt head, it would not move. The owner was invited down and shown the relative length of the brass in the bolt and the length of the 308 casing and realized what he had done... slamming the bolt forward had seated the bullet even deeper into the casing and had created enough resistance on the neck area of the chamber to resist the firing pin and allow the primer to ignite.

The rifle was sent to Remington with questions about was it safe, the rifle returned several months later with a letter saying that the action and barrel had been miked thoroughly and was in spec, They said the bolt was in spec but they had replaced it because the handle was loose and they had scratched it while prying the case head out of the bolt head. We called and talked to one of the techs who had worked on the rifle and he said they had taken a rifle off the line and loaded a 308 into a 270 and put strain guages on it and came up that the peak pressures were in the neighborhood of 110000 PSI and the bullet left the bore at something like 4700 fps. No wonder it kicked.
 
If you believe Tales of the Gun (BTW, if any of you History Channel guys are reading this, please bring it back, k), then the Mauser 98 has the strongest action. However, another guy tested the guns and said that the Arisaka had the toughest action. However, let me rank the general types of action from strongest to weakest, IIRC...

Direct Blowback<Break Action<Pump Action<Lever Action<Bolt Action
 
It's too bad we didn't ask the Japanese how they made their actions so strong.

The Arisaka action is a Mauser-based action, but with a few local adaptations. It functions similarly to a Mauser 96, being a cock-on-close, but of course has a significantly beefed up bolt and receiver. I'm not exactly sure how they changed their locking lugs, but the results were undeniably impressive. Ackley couldn't get the Type 38 to fail, and the Type 99 was the very last to fail, proving Japan had the top TWO strongest rifles of the war.
 
I have a Remington rolling block No. 1 sporter that is chambered for .357 Mag. It probably develops some impressive pressures with cartridges containing fast burning pistol powder. The 28" barrel produces 1785 fps with standard .357 Mag pistol loads of 158 gr. hollow point. The gunsmith who converted it for me said people had tried to blow up a Remington rolling block action on purpose and failed miserably.
 
Your gunsmith is wrong.

Rolling block actions are not especially strong and are only suited to 45k psi or so with the weak link being the hammer pin shear strength.

357 magnum is 35k psi cartridge and is well suited to a vintage roller.

Me I have one of the Italian reproductions in 357 mag.
 
The mosin is fairly robust, particularly the bolt is, shall we say, "overengineered". It probably doesn't hold a candle to the Arisaka, though...
 
Hello,

A certain gunsmithing school got the Mosin action to stretch a bit by loading the case full of Bullseye and a heavy bullet for a compressed charge.

They had been building up to this to see where it would fail.

A Google search will kick the experiment up; I'd rather not go into details here as I might get them wrong.

The Arisaka might be stronger, but not by much.

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... The gunsmith who converted it for me said people had tried to blow up a Remington rolling block action on purpose and failed miserably...

Your gunsmith is mistaken. The Rolling Block is not a strong action. Adequate for the purpose but not strong. Loads that have blown up rolling blocks have proven safe in the Springfield single shot rifle, commonly referred to as the Trapdoor and most consider the Trapdoor to be not very strong.
 
Strong

all action types and eras, I think the various falling-block actions have proved the strongest. ....
+1 about the falling block. Used by Ruger on its #1 and by Browning on its High Wall 1885 and by a host of others also.
There is also the cannon breech mentioned earlier that was used on some handguns like the Lone Eagle.(maybe only the Lone Eagle)
Pete


PS - That railway gun is truly amazing. Even the M65 Atomic cannon was way smaller at 28cm.
 
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