So what would happen if another assault weapon ban was enacted?
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xsquidgator
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That's not the point at all. It's a right in the US. I don't have to demonstrate that I "need" any particular firearm to buy it. Who gets to decide what you "need", the government? Hell no!! I am the only person who should decide what I need. Simple possession of a weapon is not a crime. If I go commit a crime with a weapon, then and only then can the government step in. And that's the way it's supposed to be.
In my case, I decided I NEEDED one of these babies after seeing the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans in 2005. The local government collapsed, many of the police force deserted and started looting themselves. I've lived through several hurricanes myself, none that bad, but it could be. I decided to acquire the means to defend my home and family should some sort of societal breakdown occur again. If the police "need" such weapons for protection, well my life is worth no less than theirs and I need protection too! I want the best protection available and that means a repeating centerfire rifle with high capacity magazines. That's what the ignorant media and politicians insist on calling an "assault rifle".
It strikes me there are a lot of scared people out there in the US. I like guns I dont confuse that with some paranoid fantasy about people raping my children. Most of the stuff about Katrina was media lies. Do you actually know anybody that has been assaulted raped or murdered?
yes, next question.
You seem to mistake preparedness for paranoia, and have demonstrated an inability to distinguish between the chances of an event occurring and the stakes at hand when such an event occurs.
When the chips are down, and you're about to have your ass handed to you, I want you to recall thinking "but there's no chance this is happening to me."
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Were you in new orleans at the time? I suspect you have no more right to comment on what went than me. Bad stuff happened no doubt.Scared desperate people do desperate things as do scared law enforcement people. Still doesnt answer my question? A handgun will do
Tyrie - ha ha ha - What you call preparedness I call swivel eyed lunacy. I have trained in combat arts for years big deal. My mates best friend was stabbed to death last weekend so dont tell me about how dangerous and prepared you need to be to survive in the us
I think you've made my point for me.
I guess your friend was not deep enough into swivel eyed lunacy to fight back eh? If your friend had an effective method to fight back, he'd have an attacker dead at his feet instead of a shank in his gut.
Perhaps if he were a little better prepared he would not have been carved like a thanksgiving turkey, but of course to you that would be unsporting? Im still scratching my head as to the purpose of your post. You claim your friend was stabbed, but still rail against being prepared for an attack.
Oh well, strike another one up for Darwin.
-T
Normal people learn from their own mistakes.
Intelligent people learn from the mistakes of others.
Idiots do not learn at all, and claim that it is not their right to learn from the mistakes of others, and then they rant about how good it is to be unprepared and to be carved like a turkey or over run by the savage hordes of New Orleans.
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jaysus lord- and you honestly think the fellow that stabbed him wouldnt have had a piece instead of a blade in your world. More guns equals more bodies its not that difficult. the people impacted by gun crime in the us dont tend to be your nra life member. OUr gun laws are nuts but letting every pea brained clown access to automatic weapons is off the scale in my book
First of all, wilky, YOU WERE DUPED BY THE MEDIA! This is why I hate the term, "assault weapon." It is a meaningless term that means anything and everything that the politicians and the media want it to mean. One day, they say your hunting rifle is safe, the next they call it an "assault weapon."
Let's get things straight: Fully automatic weapons (assault rifles) are effectively banned for U.S civilian use.
The term "assault rifle" means a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and high-powered rifle ammunition.
The term "assault weapon" was adopted by politicians to try and mislead you from the very beginning. Some call any semi-automatic firearm that is capable of accepting a removable magazine an assault weapon. Some would call any firearm an assault weapon. Do you see the danger in this term? From the beginning, it implies an assault, which is ridiculous. It would be like calling any vehicle capable of going over 80 miles per hour a "speedcar" or something along those lines.
Don't fall into the wordplay because it is meaningless. A semi-automatic AR-15 is no different in function than the semi-automatic Remington Model 7400 hunting rifle that someone uses for hunting. The only real difference is that the AR-15 looks scary.
The ballistic characteristics of large game hunting rifles are also more dangerous than the so called "assault weapons." Think about it this way, one was made to injure or kill a human, the other was made to kill a bull moose/grizzly bear/rhinocerous. Which one do you think will make a bigger hole? It won't be long before these hunting rifles are also called "assault weapons."
I hope that you learn something here. You've come to the right place.
Let's get things straight: Fully automatic weapons (assault rifles) are effectively banned for U.S civilian use.
The term "assault rifle" means a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and high-powered rifle ammunition.
The term "assault weapon" was adopted by politicians to try and mislead you from the very beginning. Some call any semi-automatic firearm that is capable of accepting a removable magazine an assault weapon. Some would call any firearm an assault weapon. Do you see the danger in this term? From the beginning, it implies an assault, which is ridiculous. It would be like calling any vehicle capable of going over 80 miles per hour a "speedcar" or something along those lines.
Don't fall into the wordplay because it is meaningless. A semi-automatic AR-15 is no different in function than the semi-automatic Remington Model 7400 hunting rifle that someone uses for hunting. The only real difference is that the AR-15 looks scary.
The ballistic characteristics of large game hunting rifles are also more dangerous than the so called "assault weapons." Think about it this way, one was made to injure or kill a human, the other was made to kill a bull moose/grizzly bear/rhinocerous. Which one do you think will make a bigger hole? It won't be long before these hunting rifles are also called "assault weapons."
I hope that you learn something here. You've come to the right place.
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Houston Tom
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Wilky,
First sorry about your friend, And yes I know several people that have been crime victims. And yes I do know what happened In New Orleans.
But as I told a countryman of your over pints in a expat pub in Bruussels I have them because I can/want them for whatever reason. It is the type of Government our founding father created and we work to maintain today. Just as your country wants socialized Medicine, 17% Vat and a hgih income tax rate in exchange for social programs where the governmetn takes care of you.
We would rather have less government involvment, lower taxes and be responsible for taking care of ourselves.
First sorry about your friend, And yes I know several people that have been crime victims. And yes I do know what happened In New Orleans.
But as I told a countryman of your over pints in a expat pub in Bruussels I have them because I can/want them for whatever reason. It is the type of Government our founding father created and we work to maintain today. Just as your country wants socialized Medicine, 17% Vat and a hgih income tax rate in exchange for social programs where the governmetn takes care of you.
We would rather have less government involvment, lower taxes and be responsible for taking care of ourselves.
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How about we come to a compromise so we can all get along.... Let's own pistols AND semi-automatic rifles!
There.... Problem solved!
There.... Problem solved!
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Not in the US. ~83-96 guns for every 100 Americans. ~30k or ~50k gun violence incidents per year. ~1.5 to 2.5 million DEFENSIVE gun uses per year, 400,000 which save a life, few of which involve shots being fired.
If gun control works for your country, hey, go for it. However, it does not, has not, and will not work here.
All I know is this eventually we'll see the legislation be proposed. Whether it passes or not all depends on the congressional elections, so support your pro gun candidate locally.
Also I am fed up with hearing even local guys talking about being ready for armed insurrection. This can all be handled politically. If just one whackjob breaks out the guns and fights the Man we are all going to lose our rights.
Also I am fed up with hearing even local guys talking about being ready for armed insurrection. This can all be handled politically. If just one whackjob breaks out the guns and fights the Man we are all going to lose our rights.
WoofersInc
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Apparently you have not been paying attention to what has been happening in England, Australia , and so on.
And the fact that here in the States, as more states allow citizens to carry, the crime rate has actually gone down in those states while the ones that prevent citizens from owning them have higher crime rates.
chieftain
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It is always political. Only a fool thinks one can discuss the right to bear arms without discussing politics. It is in fact a totally political discussion. (an early, Go figure goes here)
Many. 10 years in the US Marine Corps, two tours in Vietnam. During that 10 years I was a DI, and spent 7 months attached to the 42 Commando RM in Malta. That was the only time I was involved in any ‘Black’ Ops. Spent 5 years with a County Sheriff in Florida, Brevard County (think Cape Canaveral) It is my home county. And several years with Florida Department of Corrections. I became a Registered Nurse, besides CVICU, SICU, MICU, and Trauma ICU my last job before retirement was an inner city Emergency Room.
Yea, I have known a lot of folks who have been murdered or raped, robbed, attacked, assaulted, in ad nuseum.
You live in the most violent city/country (Scotland) per capita in the world. Per EU and UN reports. Weapons owned and controlled by good guys, is crime control. Seems the less guns, the more crime. I guess you are a purest. Being beat to death, or stabbed to death, is preferred to being shot. Your choice. I have been shot, beat, and blown up. I prefer to use a gun. Remember one day you will not be in physical shape to use any of your martial arts effectively. I will more than likely be still able to use my weapons effectively at the same level of impairment. (another early, Go figure)
Sorry to hear about your mate. But what exactly is your point?
Don’t let your ignorance of our gun laws ruin your argument. Plenty of folks are still stabbed in this country. They just don’t get the press. To many folks guns are about guns. They are not. They are about power. You and your countrymen appear to give all your power to your Government. We believe the power should reside within the people. I guess you figure you shouldn’t trust you. I do trust me.
In fact, in a very generalized way, I have found my gun club and almost every range I have been to in the United States, to be one of the safest places in this country. No mass shooting, occasional accidental wound (I am a new shooter, only been shooting since 1955 and the only wound on the range, including military ranges have required no more than a bandaid), and rare suicide.
Most of our Mass murders have taken place in area’s where private ownership of guns, ‘IS NOT ALLOWED’! You know, where the good guys ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS. Chew on that a while than get back to us on it.
Just the next time your country gets it ass in a major war. Don’t call on us Armed violent Americans to come pull your chestnuts out of the fire, again.
Go figure.
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Sorry for he long response, but there are so many things wrong with that question. First, it is an insipid question. Someone decides that handguns and fists are good enough for them; ergo they are good enough for everyone in the world. What naiveté. What hubris. What gives anyone the authority to validate another person’s need for something before that person is allowed to own it? My wife has more jewelry than she needs but not as much as she wants. She does not have to validate her need to purchase more. That’s one of the benefits of living in a free country.
The answer to the second question is no. We know government cannot and will not protect all of its citizens from all crime. If it tries, it will become worse than the criminals. The U.S. stays on the verge of a civil war. That doesn’t happen because America has the most heavily armed civilian population in the history of the world. We intend to keep it that way. That’s not adolescent bravado. It’s a simple statement of who we are and the price we are willing to pay for our way of life.
Here are some examples of why we need assault rifles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Street_Riot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C._riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_McDuffie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_riot_of_1968
My father-in-law was living in Los Angeles with his family during the Watts riots. During the riots he and his neighbors sat on their lawns with ice chests and shotguns. The rioters left them alone. After the riots he bought an M1 Garand. He was a WWII Marine who did not endure Hell in the Pacific so he could be run out of his home and have his family threatened. He would have bought a BAR if he could have afforded one.
I was a naive country boy living in Houston when riots broke out at Texas Southern University. That’s when I started carrying a shotgun and a handgun in my car. On two occasions I was trapped in my car with hostile people approaching me and no way to escape. Both times, I pulled my 1911 Colt, took the safety off, and aimed at the closest person. The potential assailants decided to victimize someone else and I was eventually able to leave. I am not bragging about that and wish it had not happened. However, it did, and could again. Last night while my wife and I were returning home from a movie, I hit a piece of metal on Interstate 10 and broke down. I did not need the handgun in my pocket or the WSAR in my trunk while I sat by the road waiting for a tow truck, but it knowing they were there comforted me. That’s not paranoia. Bill Cosby’s son was murdered under similar circumstances.
Finally, my ancestors left Scotland because they refused to tolerate the English Monarchy bullying them around and dictating their needs. They refused to continue being betrayed by their Scottish leaders. You ancestors were either comfortable with that or complicit. That’s the main difference between Europeans and Americans. Unfortunately, that difference has been diluted by people who recently immigrated here for economic reasons. Some of them brought their subservient attitudes with them and are trying to impose those ideas on the rest of us. Fortunately for the U.S. many of the immigrants know how bad it can get and fervently support their right to keep and bear arms.
macadore
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I didn’t say I own an assault rifle. I implied that I needed one.
Crow1108
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Automatic weapons? The only people who have access to automatic weapons are those that choose to pay the NFA costs, live in a state that allows NFA items, and lay down the thousands to purchase class III items made prior to 1986.
What you call an "assault weapon" is, in actuallity, a semi-automatic rifle that many use in competitions, hunting (don't tell me noone hasn't ever hunted with an SKS, AK variant, or AR variant), and yes, in some cases, home defense. It's operation isn't any different than hunting rifles many people use. Many home invasions are performed by some junkies looking to get cash for their next fix. It is well-known (and well-documented) that short of a shot to a vital area, when hopped up on andrenaline and whatever their junk-du-joir is they aren't affected much by a round from a handgun. I don't call it shifty-eyed paranoia when I say I want an adequate means of protection for my wife and myself from anyone, no matter what their condition, who may enter my house illegally in the early hours.
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Who is this "we" you've alluded to? One can only assume that it's the gun-toting cyber-revolutionary, a cheerleader with no game going on, except the game his own ego is playing inside his own head.
To showcase your capability or will to engage in all-out hostilities,
perhaps you ought to consider organizing commando-style airborne drops aimed at permanently repealing "assault weapon" bans at the state and local levels.
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