Some Contender/Encore Questions

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First off, I know the Encore is beefier and made for more powerful rifle cartridges than the Contender (and later C/G2) is.

How much heavier/bigger did they make the Encore to handle these cartridges.

What is the strongest cartridge a Contender can take. I think I've seen .30/30 and some of the less-common cartridges like .35 Remington or Wheelen?

These seem sufficient for deer or hogs, so is anything really being gained by going up to an Encore to get a .308 or something in that neighborhood?

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I only have an Encore so i can't do a comparison. I'll say this, though, the Encore can be chambered for calibers up to .300 Win. and .444 Marlin, both of which are very high pressure. The the Contender can't, uhhhhh, contend with that.
 
One Encore pistol weighs as much as two 'Tenders so beefier is not necessarily better. The Encore also has a longer reach to the trigger so smaller hands do have a problem with proper grip. The biggest (bore) 'Tender barrel I have is in 45/70 Gov't, and if you can't kill it with that it ain't killable. If you read that I don't care for the Encore you would be correct. 'Tender RULES ;-)
 
the Encore can be chambered for the largest of the large wildcats out there.

From TC:

The new Contender is available in the following factory barrel configurations: .17 HMR, .22 LR Match, .204 Ruger, .22 Hornet, .223, 7-30 Waters, .30-30, .375 JDJ, .44 Rem. Mag., .45-70, .45 Colt/.410 shotshell. (These are available in 14-inch pistol barrels; fewer are offered in 12-inch barrels and rifle barrels. T/C's custom shop chambers for more than 100 cartridges.)
 
I've been dancing with the Contender/Encore decision since I learned the Encore was available in my beloved .243 Winchester.

But in handling the two guns and thinking about them I am rapidly becoming disenchanted with the Encore (and it's 15" bull barrel).

That's because my interest is in a piece to hunt with and the scoped Encore is a huge mass hanging out at arm's length to shoot. Great piece for a bench or other stable rest but I don't carry either when hunting. And since that weight is equal to (or exceeds) some fine sporting-weight rifles which can be held more easily and solidly to fire while hunting - why bother with the Encore - especially when there is the sacrifice of some velocity/energy due to the barrel being shorter than that of the rifle ???

If you look at the G2 Contender frame and the Encore frame side-by-side from above you'll see the Encore frame is quite a bit wider than the G2. The Encore grip (as mentioned in posts above) is bigger also and it's "stretch" is not too much just for "small" hands - it is also too much for beefy hands and any other hands that may simply not have long fingers. The salesmen will of course say "Well you can buy XYZ grips to fix that" but I don't care to spend $600 on a gun that I then immediately have to spend anouther $100 on to "fix". That's pure Garbage.

Personally, I've pretty much decided the hunter is MUCH better served by the Contender with a 10" or 12" barrel. A neighbor uses a .357 Maximum (14" barrel he had cut to 12") on deer and swears by it. No - he doesn't slay them at 300 yards but if he had to struggle with that anvil-sized Encore in 30/06 :barf: he probably couldn't do any better any farther than he now does with the .357 Maximum.... and he might not do as well !!:eek:

Local opinion may vary. :cool:
 
The weight of the Encore frame especially when used in the big bore handgun such as the 45/70 is nice. I have the 45/70 encore my buddy has the G2 in 44 Mag. The Encore frame is noticeably beefier than the G2 and I believe the barrel pin is a larger OD as well.
 
My Encore with a scout scope and a 20" 45 70 barrel is 7 1/2 pounds.

Any of the high end (300 win mag and up) caliber hunting rifles weigh in around the 9 to 10 pound range. And if you shoot one of the shoulder cannons then more weight is better!

I have only put one heavy/high pressure barrel on my Encore which was a .450 Marlin. But I did get the Encore so that I could put heavier rifle chamberings on it if I wanted too. It also shoots a .204 Ruger just fine and right now I have a .223 barrel on it.

I don't think either the Conternder or Encore is better, it just depends on what you want to use it for.

Once you get a frame you will be spoiled by your ability to get a new rifle or pistol for the cost of a barrel!
 
I owned a Contender and had a ball with it. The biggest round I fired out of one
was 45/70. Barrel was made by T/C with a muzzle brake,3 shots was enough for me,I like my wrists and elbows right where they are thank you
 
An Encore in pistol config with a 15" barrel and a walking stick works just fine.

These guys show an Encore barrel all the way up to the .458 Rem Magnum. Just a bit more than I'd want to pull the trigger on single handed or without a shoulder stock. :what:
 
So what rifle calibers/barrels are available for the Contender? The website says 11, but only lists a few, whereas the Encore has a complete list of all calibers/barrels. Really annoying...

I'm having the same dilemma and would ask that it be compatible with 45/70, 300 Win Mag, and .204 Ruger.

28" barrel for the .204 Ruger with handloads!!??!?!?!? What are we talking, 4,300 fps!

Poor prairie dogs...
 
I’ve enjoyed my contender original for almost 27 years. It came with a super 14 .223 and I immediately purchased a .357 Herrett to hunt in the southern tier of NYS as they were legal in shotgun counties.

For the last 5 years of so I’ve had a G2 centender in .45 muzzleloader. What a neat small package.

The contender will handle the .375 JDJ which is a necked down .444 so they will take a licking and keep on tickin!

Foxridge, which is an aftermarket custom shop type operation for Contender and Encore, makes many barrels for them.
 
Contenders vs Encore....?

Not quite apples and oranges, but close. The Contender is fine handgun that will handle some rifle rounds, within it's size and pressure limitations. The Encore is more properly considered a light rifle, which can be used in a handgun configuration.

Barrel length is critical to the performance of some rifle rounds, and in handgun length barrels (14" and under) they lose more than you might think. Of course, alot of it has to do with the actual loading of the round, and the intensity of regular rounds as well. Touching off a 14" .30-06 or worse yet, a .300 magnum is an experience I can well do without. For me, the slight gain in performance, in a short barrel, over smaller rounds is overshadowed by the increased blast and recoil.

I hunted for years with an 18.5" barrel .308 Winchester carbine, and the blast from it is impressive. Firing the same round from a barrel 4" (or more) shorter is not a very pleasant thing. And you don't get the performance you do from a rifle.

I have a Contender, and barrels in .22LR, .22 Hornet, .222 Rem, .30-30Win, 9mm, .357mag, .44 Mag, .45 Colt, and .45-70. The .30-30 and .45-70 are 14 inchers, the others 10". The `14s are very awkward to shoot offhand, but it can be done with practice. The 10s are much better in this regard.

It is all a matter of taste, and firing rifle rounds from a handgun is a trade off between portability and power, performance and blast. Careful tailoring of the loads will maximize the efficiency, but there is always "left over" performance that you can't get from a short barrel. This left over becomes muzzle blast. Years ago, when Remington introduced the XP-100 pistol with its 10 inch barrel, they introduced a new round, the .221 Rem Fireball with it. This was a .222 Rem with a shortened case body for maximum efficiency in the 10" pistol barrel. The longer .222 had "left over" powder from that length barrel, and could not reach its true potential in that pistol.

To me, the best thing about the Encore is that you can make a light single shot rifle out of it, and shoot full performance rifle cartridges. The Contender is a better handgun, and makes a dandy light carbine in the lighter rifle calibers. While there is some overlap, neither the Encore nor the Contender is intended to replace each other.
 
The Contender can handle the 444 and all the 444 based wildcats. IMHO, if you can't kill it with a 375JDJ you probably shouldn't be shooting at it. Also, the Contender has a nicer trigger than the Encore.
 
I have an encore in 7mm 08 and 223 pistol form. if i did it over- i'd probably buy a used contender. the encore is great- but their are just SO many contender barrels that are well priced on the used market.
 
Interesting Contender notes from Fred at Bullberry barrels !


204 Ruger Velocity Tests

For these tests I chose a T/C Contender in 24" length as a starting point. Like our previous data on the 17 HMR, I shot 5 rounds thru our Oehler Skyscreen II Chronograph, recorded the results, then cut 1 inch from the barrel and recrowned to repeat the velocity test.

It was my intention to go all the way to a 10" barrel. But . . . at about 18" length I started getting frequent "error" readings – from muzzle blast. I firmed up my Sky Screens to prevent movement and got good results until about 16" length. At this point I had to move back about 20 feet from my screens and tie down everything in the immediate area of my shop. I was pulling objects off shelves 30 feet away. At 14" it was impossible to get five dependable readings – because of this extreme blast – so my test was terminated at this length.
For my test I'd be forced to say that 23" is the optimum length. Those of you who know me, realize that I was hoping to find highest velocity at 20". But my chronograph won't lie just because I'm a fan of shorter barrels.

I have no answer for the fact that my test showed a high velocity of 200 fps slower than advertised – probably just a difference in testing procedure. Here's hoping this data is of interest and may help our shooters in making ideal decisions in length for their needs.

Good shooting!

-Fred Smith
Bullberry/Woodsmith
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Okay, one last question I think. I've been looking around the auction boards for Contenders, and have narrowed down to a few. How much of a difference is there between the original Contender and G2; is the G2 improved enough to favor it over the original?

thanks
 
The G2 is a little stronger. and has de/recock ability. The Contender has a better trigger but if you let the hammer down you have to open the action again to recock. The grip angle is a bit different, I prefer the Contender's. I would like to have the recock feature, but not enough to give up the Contender's trigger.
 
I bought a Contender back when T/C didn't yet offer a .223 barrel, just the .222. I picked up a 14" after market barrel in .223 Remington and enjoyed it the entire time I shot it. For practice, we use to shoot the centers out of clay pigeons at 100 yds (no fair if you broke the entire clay) and resting on a bench was cheating. LOL! :D It was very accurate and easily shot under 1" MOA (using my own loads....never tried factory rounds in it).

I also had a 14" .41 Magnum barrel which I also loved to shoot. While I didn't get the chance to try it, I always thought it would make a good white tail shooter.

My buddy had a .30/30 14" barrel on his and I watched a "macho guy" split his forehead wide open one day at the range. He wouldn't listen to our advice for using both hands when he shot it. :what: He didn't bleed all that long but it sure shut him up for the rest of the day. :D
 
How much of a difference is there between the original Contender and G2; is the G2 improved enough to favor it over the original?

Both have their strong points.

The original has a lighter, adjustable trigger. If you want a pure target gun, the original is better.

I prefer the heavier trigger and the simplified action of the G2. No need to open the action to re-cock the gun. The G2 has a better grip shape/angle IMO. It was also engineered to eliminate the frame stretching problem with the original and heavy calibers.

I know one guy who sent a .357 Maximum slug through his right calf muscle while deer hunting with an original Contender. He figured something must have tripped the trigger set (which can happen with the hammer down on the original). Then a branch cought the hammer, drawing it back and releasing it, eveidently the hammer safety was off.

He has pretty impressive entance and exit scars. He still shoots Silhouette with a Contender, but hunts with a G2.

My G2 has a heavy trigger, but it's still my best offhand shooter.
 
I have an older 1980's Contender in .357 Maximum(10") with open sights and a 14" magnaported barrel in 35 Remington w/2.5
T/C Recoil Proof factory scope. It carries Pachmayr Gripper series grips and forend. Its a hunters dream and shoots easily. The Magnaport process tamed it nicely. I'll post a pix if anyone is interested. Bruce
 
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