Some more price gouging
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Absolutely, +1. It's a sad statement about our public education, this recurring display of a severe lack of understanding about how a capitalistic economy works. Supply and Demand. I'll go one further re required curriculum: I firmly believe that no student should be allowed to graduate high school without a full semester of capitalism/ free market economy, opposite a full semester in basic LOGIC.
Officers'Wife
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Where are you going to find a public school teacher qualified to teach basic logic?
Phydeaux642
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Not necessarily. Pmags for the evil black rifle have been hard to come by for instance. CTD had them for something like $39.95 a while back. One of the executives from Magpul posted here that that price was way out of line as they had not raised their prices to wholesalers. My guess is that is the case much of the time.
Sure it is. Just ask the businesses in the state I live in that got sued for it after 9/11. Now, I wouldn't call what is going on with ammo and gun prices gouging (although I have used those exact words out of frustration), but it sure is preying upon the fears of your customers. Not a very good business practice if you ask me.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Just because state law allows people to file bogus lawsuits based on a true fair market price doesn't make it true "gouging".
They can still be had, you might just have to wait a couple of weeks. for instance, Top Gun supply will notify you when they are in and you can buy up to 10 at a time. I just got an in-stock notification from them the other day. There's HUNDREDS of websites selling good quality AR mags for $12-$15. You just have to look around. I know this for a fact because I've been buying them recently just like everyone else. I just got a good deal on some CProducts with magpul grey followers for $12 each new 2 weeks ago. The steel ones were $15.
IMO Cheaper than dirt has really gone and screwed themselves. Many people won't do business with them after this. I absolutely agree that it's their right to do it. That's how capitalism works. Heck, they can charge $100 for one pmag if they want to. I think it's a bad business decision on their part though. Consumers really get a bad taste in their mouth over idiotic things like that. In the future, I will never buy anything from them...no matter how good the price is.
Continue to support the vendors that have not taken advantage of this "situation" that we're in right now! Good on them!
good mags in stock: http://www.44mag.com/products.asp?dept=1326
1 dark earth Pmag 5 pack left in stock for $100 here. Hurry up and grab it if you really want them fast.
https://mooneysfirearms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=147
TexasRifleman
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Sums it up nicely.
I'm keeping a list for future reference that's for sure.
This particular case of CTD is pretty clear cut it seems to me. We just have to be careful not to lump everyone with higher prices into that category.
AllAmerican
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I will never buy from CTD
Elcid11rocks
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Well black rifles and decent price ammo can be found at most smaller shops that haven't sold out, or aren't doing crazy markups.
I have plenty of ARs and other black rifles, (including some SCARs), along with tons of .223 for under $350 per k, at my own shop. I own KAS in beaverton, oregon. Look it up if you're interested.
I have plenty of ARs and other black rifles, (including some SCARs), along with tons of .223 for under $350 per k, at my own shop. I own KAS in beaverton, oregon. Look it up if you're interested.
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SCKimberFan
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So if my competitor raises his prices, I am forced to raise mine? Only in la-la-land. I will keep my price lower and sell all I can get.
Painting with a pretty broad brush aren't we? That's like saying gun owners are lunatics. 'Cause we know they can just start shooting everybody...
Hk91-762mm
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Consumers really get a bad taste in their mouth over idiotic things like that. In the future, I will never buy anything from them...no matter how good the price
ATOMD== You must have been around during the Klinton ban era>> They left a Bad taste in My mouth !!
PRICE GOUGING CANT HAPPEN IN A FREE CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY!
Ill Prove you wrong--You obviously went around in the mid 70s _!!!! I remember the GAS CRISIS where the Only stations that could get gas GOUGED US TO DEATH --And you had no choice -- Pay or don't drive to work !!!
ATOMD== You must have been around during the Klinton ban era>> They left a Bad taste in My mouth !!
PRICE GOUGING CANT HAPPEN IN A FREE CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY!
Ill Prove you wrong--You obviously went around in the mid 70s _!!!! I remember the GAS CRISIS where the Only stations that could get gas GOUGED US TO DEATH --And you had no choice -- Pay or don't drive to work !!!
Flyboy
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You think you're the only one who's had it rough? It took me nine years to finish school, with sporadic employment in between. I don't have a "stockpile" of anything; I think the closest I have is a thousand rounds of .22LR, and that cost me damn near forty bucks.MountainBear said:
But in my nine years of schooling, I took classes in economics and marketing. I learned all sorts of neat things about supply and demand, marginal utility, risk, marketing utility (place, time, financing, selection, transportation/logistics, etc.) and other such topics. All of it together says one thing: in times of high demand, high prices are a good thing. High prices mean higher profit, encouraging increased production. High prices also act as a natural rationing system, ensuring availability to those most in need: if a need (demand) is great, the price will be paid, while a lesser need (demand) will forgo the high price. To the poster who mentioned the $10 bottled water after Katrina, I'll bet you didn't buy two pallets "just in case," did you?
Yes, it sucks when you're the one having to write the cheques, but (in case your parents forgot to tell you) life isn't fair. The guy who bought extra before things went South is going to come out ahead of you. Get used to it, or get ready for a long and bumpy ride through life. And stock up before the world panics next time--it's not like there were no warning signs that prices would be rising.
runrabbitrun
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A couple of months ago, not even knowing this crunch was on.
We went to the gun shop we purchased our used Marlin 60 from several months before.
(We set out that day to BUY and had lots of cash on hand.)
We knew this gun shop had SKS's because we saw them there before,
knew the ball park prices (from before) and that's what we were looking for.
However, these guys had the prices of some really crappy ones
starting at around $300 - $450.
These looked like the same guns they had sitting
in a corner, collecting dust several months before for around $85 - $150.00 each.
I was disgusted, because I thought they were gouging.
But I didn't want to appear to be, so we looked around
the place for about five minutes and then left.
I was NOT going to pay that price for one or two of these crappy guns.
At that time, I also remembered that when we purchased our used Marlin 60.
These clowns hadn't even bothered to clean the thing before
placing it on the rack with all their other guns for sale.
I also recalled these bozos when asked, 'what's a reliable ammo for this'
that they sold us some really crappy ammo
when we did purchase that Marlin.
(I had been away from guns for some time, so I was not knowledgeable
about the differences in ammo).
Just by chance, we drove down the road to another place I knew had guns.
I hadn't been in this shop in a long while, but I though what the heck,
can't hurt to just check and see what they have.
Well, they had one and it was already tricked out
with folding stock and the gunsmith had just cleaned it.
$250.00 out the door and it's an awesome find and is in great shape.
I'm rambling on here, so sorry.
The point is.
I wont be back to the first bozos ever again and that's because
of the fact they are indeed gouging and are piss poor shop.
They wont even take the time to clean and inspect used guns before offering them for sale.
Now the other shop, where we did get the SKS.
I've been back a few times since and will happily buy from them again.
Although the guns prices and ammo have went up a little,
they are NOT gouging and they treat their customers
like they want them to return.
So YES.
Many will or should remember who's taking advantage
of us now (or trying to) and not patronize these bozos in the fuure.
We went to the gun shop we purchased our used Marlin 60 from several months before.
(We set out that day to BUY and had lots of cash on hand.)
We knew this gun shop had SKS's because we saw them there before,
knew the ball park prices (from before) and that's what we were looking for.
However, these guys had the prices of some really crappy ones
starting at around $300 - $450.
These looked like the same guns they had sitting
in a corner, collecting dust several months before for around $85 - $150.00 each.
I was disgusted, because I thought they were gouging.
But I didn't want to appear to be, so we looked around
the place for about five minutes and then left.
I was NOT going to pay that price for one or two of these crappy guns.
At that time, I also remembered that when we purchased our used Marlin 60.
These clowns hadn't even bothered to clean the thing before
placing it on the rack with all their other guns for sale.
I also recalled these bozos when asked, 'what's a reliable ammo for this'
that they sold us some really crappy ammo
when we did purchase that Marlin.
(I had been away from guns for some time, so I was not knowledgeable
about the differences in ammo).
Just by chance, we drove down the road to another place I knew had guns.
I hadn't been in this shop in a long while, but I though what the heck,
can't hurt to just check and see what they have.
Well, they had one and it was already tricked out
with folding stock and the gunsmith had just cleaned it.
$250.00 out the door and it's an awesome find and is in great shape.
I'm rambling on here, so sorry.
The point is.
I wont be back to the first bozos ever again and that's because
of the fact they are indeed gouging and are piss poor shop.
They wont even take the time to clean and inspect used guns before offering them for sale.
Now the other shop, where we did get the SKS.
I've been back a few times since and will happily buy from them again.
Although the guns prices and ammo have went up a little,
they are NOT gouging and they treat their customers
like they want them to return.
So YES.
Many will or should remember who's taking advantage
of us now (or trying to) and not patronize these bozos in the fuure.
Flyboy
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Because carpooling, public transportation, bicycles, and shoes weren't invented until after 1980, right?Hk91-762mm said:
There's always a choice. It may not be convenient, but there's always a choice.
(For the record, there was also government interference in the market, which does make it less-than-free; the ammunition market, however, is surprisingly open, a few states notwithstanding.)
earlthegoat2
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cheaper than gold, but not much
You're a gunshop dealer ("I own KAC in beaverton, oregon.") with "tons of .223 for under $350 per k" and you just happened to sign up to a website that's been around for years and that has some of the most knowledgeable members in the world who've discussed the ammo shortage and banic buying for months already and after a few days you're here to "open peoples eyes"?
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I notice that when prices are low, they (retailers / distributors / etc...) don't cry foul...
BTW, I have noticed some fine bolt action and double barrel rifles and shotguns going for low prices. Seems that every is overlooking what can be had for good prices in favor of what everyone else is buying...
Food for thought
Phydeaux642
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It wasn't 'people', it was the State Attorney General. They also fined hotels during an ice storm for inflating their prices during a crisis situation. Like I said, doesn't really apply to the ammo and firearms shortage, though.
I'm in sales and that has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I wouldn't be able to hold my job if I based my sales off of lies. Good grief.:banghead:
HK91 said:
uhhhh
If you have no choice, then you can't do either or.
For instance, the hangman pulled the trap door and I died, I had no choice.
In your above statement, you gave a perfectly reasonable choice, that is walk. But you would rather drive than walk or relocate your house to walking distance, so you traded your money for gas. The more you are willing to do that, the more that the price will increase.
You can't get a raise at your job and then moan about getting gouged. They are part and parcel of the same thing. One just benefits you, the other benefits someone else.
ALSO - the gas station had to pay higher prices too... Don't forget that. The prices at the gun shops have gone up because they are having to pay more for the material.
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True, but price fixing is definitely possible in a free market.
Flyboy
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Indeed it is. Are you alleging collusion--a criminal activity--between all of the providers of ammunition? If so, I'd like to see your evidence.Neverwinter said:
He's a regular troll from AR15.com who got his pee-pee whacked pretty hard over there. He then decided to change his forum handle from elcid11 to elcid11rocks. 
He has a terrible reputation all over the Pacific Northwest and is quite full of himself.
elcid11, just how many threads are you going to open to tout your know-it-all (lack of) experience and try to enlighten us folks who've been around the world more times than you've been around your hometown?
All: A quick search of "elcid11" on AR15.com will help you understand a bit about this guy.
Especially the following...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=826437
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=36&t=344596
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=813932
He has a terrible reputation all over the Pacific Northwest and is quite full of himself.
elcid11, just how many threads are you going to open to tout your know-it-all (lack of) experience and try to enlighten us folks who've been around the world more times than you've been around your hometown?
All: A quick search of "elcid11" on AR15.com will help you understand a bit about this guy.
Especially the following...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=826437
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=36&t=344596
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=813932
DoubleTapDrew
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I think there are enough gun shops and dealers out there that they can sell for whatever price they want (low or high). Doesn't seem to be any collusion. If you can sell a widget for $1000 but want to keep selling them for $500 out of the goodness of your heart then right on, but it doesn't seem many people are doing that these days and the ones that do are (of course) sold out. After this is over I would like to see someone put out a list of sellers who didn't take advantage of the frenzy. They'll get my business and the others will not.
If you want to see an extreme example of what happens in the long term with this look at transferrable machine guns. With that, the supply is fixed so it's not exactly the same but it's pretty similar. They've gone through more than a 1000% price increase since the feds shut down the supply.
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