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Some slight feeding problems HG 68 and 1911's

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  1. Rule3

    Rule3 Member

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    I have loaded a few hundred of these with both 5.2 and 5.5 gr BE COL of 1.250.
    Crimp .470

    Just came from the range and had some problems feeding? The past batches were fine? This is why LSWC and 1911's annoy me.;)

    Here is picture of a simulated jam. It was close to this but the chambered empty was a bit further back

    They only thing I can think of is I may have seated the bullets a fraction deeper as I clean my dies, The ones in the pic are past dummy rounds when I was test in the barrel. I tried 3 different 1911's and different mags so it's not the gun

    What's weird is it is only a few out each box of 50. Just enough to be annoying.

    What do you think? Load them a bit longer??

    Also with 5.5 gr BE it was tossing the brass over 10 feet with standard recoil springs, perhaps lower it back to 5 or 5.2gr?



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  2. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    If the empty is still in the chamber you don't have a feeding problem.

    You have an extraction problem!

    Check the extractor tension.

    See #2 in this write-up on tension adjustment.
    http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

    Also notice whether it is always the same brand of brass doing it.

    rc
     
  3. Rule3

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    I would agree with you but not when it happens on 3 different brands of 1911's that have no issue with RN or HP bullets.

    The "simulated" jam is not exactly how it looked
     
  4. Toyman

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    Try backing them down to 4.8 - 5.0 and run them out to 1.26 , that is where my Springfield and Para seem to like them:)
     
  5. Rule3

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    I shall. I was thinking something along those lines. Thanks
     
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    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    You are going to run into the rifling leade seated much longer then they are now.

    Be sure and plunk test them.

    rc
     
  7. forestswin

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    just some guesses:D

    in your first picture - the brass looks pretty beat up
    could it just be the extractors are slipping off the case's extractor groove?
    because of a few worn cases you picked up? (the bottom rim near the head stamp)

    I hear its hot in Florida - maybe your load was a little hot and the case didn't contract that fast and was briefly "sticky in the chamber":confused:

    do a Google image search with
    "1911 case extraction problems"
    a bunch of pics of the same condition with FMJ RN

    If you don't have some worn cases
    I'd back off the powder - down to at least 5 grains
    stick with 1.25" COL

    and I'd change only one thing at a time
     
  8. 243winxb

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    45 acp 200 gr lswc bb.

    What velocity are you getting over the chronograph?? 4.6 gr Bullseye for a 200 gr lswc at 800 fps should be plenty. I always measure like this for my seating depth. Reason being, the bullets length changes with the alloy. .947" is just touching the rifling. [​IMG][/URL][/IMG]
     
  9. Rule3

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    I will try that. Just by the picture you have more shoulder sticking out. I am thinking this is what happened as I took my dies apart to clean and may have messed up the settings. Perhaps not enough of the bullet was feeding up.
    I have not chronograph these yet, Just got them and it was 90 degrees today so I was not real enthused.:fire: Yes the load was fairly stout though. Heck Lyman says 6.0 is max and claim it is the most accurate,!

    Last batch all worked fine so it's something I changed.

    Forest,

    I will had pick some nicer brass I may even have some new ones all the same headstamo. I think they are nickel also.

    This guy was watching me so maybe it's his fault:D

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    That guy would ruin my concentration, for sure.
     
  11. g.willikers

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    No need to worry about that big frog.
    It's smiling, ain't it?

    As for the choice of bullet and loaded length of the round, I've found that using the chubbiest version of the 200 grain swc, and loading it to the exact length of a factory RN seems to always work.
    SWC bullets are available in quite a few different profiles.
    The ones with the shortest noses seem to be the most agreeable, especially with 1911s.
     
  12. Rule3

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    Actually, "the frog" is just a bit over a baby. He is pretty small. We have one that is a real monster good 12 feet if he is an inch!. Now he would bother me.:eek:
     
  13. jinxer3006

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    Agreed.

    I don't care what OAL you use, if brass is still in the chamber, there's no way the next round will feed.
     
  14. Rule3

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    Update

    Loaded 100 at 1.260. Dropped the powder charge to 4.9BE. Used a batch of TZZ (IMI) brass that is heavy duty stuff that I had to de crimp some time ago,Only been loaded a few times/

    Not one failure out of 100

    Even chronograph they load I was bit shocked at the velocity of 4.9 gr BE I figured it would be in the 700 fps range considering the standard load for a 230 gr is 4.9-5 gr. The lighter bullet should be a bit more powder?

    H- 865
    L=843
    ES=22

    SD=8

    Powder charge?
    Brass?
    COL?

    I actually think it was to hot a load and causing the gun the not cycle correctly. Next Batch I will use regular mixed beat up brass and load a few back at 1.250
     
  15. 243winxb

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    45acp 200 gr lead.

    Slide speed is always something to consider. I think the case stayed in the chamber becasuse it didnt have time to spring back enough to be extracted. Brass was still in contact with the chamber. Slower powders may change this, if you need higher velocity ???
     
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    Duplicate
     
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    Nice ES&SD

    my vote is charge causing higher pressures and a little "sticky" extraction
    cases may have factored into it
    but with lower pressures,,,,,, didn't
     
  18. Rule3

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    No higher velocity needed. These were dead nuts accurate as well. 800 fps +/- is were it should be anyway yes??

    I am gonna try a little lower like 4.5 as long as it cycles all my 45's 1911's and others,

    Thanks for the tip of 4.6 going 800fps or so.

    I still need to load some back at 5.5 and chrono those to see what velocity those are?:eek:

    I am used to loading Precision Delta FMJ with 5.0 gr BE and they worked just fine.
     
  19. thomis

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    I love the H&G 200's in my Colt and man, do they punch nice clean holes in the paper! I had a problem at first, the slide wasn't returning to full battery, it would close ALMOST all the way, so much so that you couldn't tell until you pulled the trigger and nothing happened, then I would tap it all the way closed and fire. I soon realized my taper crimp wasn't aggressive enough. I ran a bunch of them back through the taper crimp and the problem was solved. I'm glad you posted this, now I will try them over some Bullseye.

    Rule3, I may load some at 5.5 and chrony it to see what I get compared to you. Does your Springfield have the standard 5" bbl?
     
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  20. Rule3

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    Yes and standard weight spring. A1 loaded, "Several" 1911's the same set up.
     
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