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yepwould much rather live as a free man under the highly improbable threat of another significant Al-Qaida attack than I would as a serf, spied on by an oppressive government that can jail me secretly, without charges.
If it wasn't the current "the terrorists are gonna kill us all" fad sweeping the nation, Washington would come up with another pretense for domestic spying/surveillance...
TallPine said:
JerryM said:Those are not the only options. I believe the President is correct in what he is doing and the Patriot act is necessary.
It may sound good, but it does not have much logic connected with it. Lay out the real options, and then choose.
Jerry
Good point. However, let's not present a false dichotomy.Crosshair said:I think the 2008 election is going to be interesting. Might decide what direction we take as a country.
This country is headed down the same path no matter what party holds dominance. The path to Statism, nationalism, and greater government control or financial responsibility, classical American values, and greater freedom from the heavy hand of government?
Old Dog said:Hey, thanks for summing it all up for us. We may as well all just forego visiting our polling places, since it won't matter anyway.
This must be one of those weeks on THR where all we see is people expressing their feelings of powerlessness.
Not so much my individual vote -- but my abilities, and my work, and the abilities of those to whom I share causes, will make the difference.And if you think your vote really, REALLY, makes a difference, you just don't understand statistics.
Ah, yes, but life was much different then; life was shorter, uncertain and unequivocably much simpler. I greatly suspect that our technological advances, our advances in medicine and science, along with the ability citizens now have for instantaneous, real-time unfiltered communication with each other from almost anywhere on the globe has rendered the good Dr. Tyler's thesis invalid.Prof. Alexander Tyler, over 200 years ago while we were still British colonies.
'Tis a sad, sad thing; I agree with you here.And if so many gun-board people are so divorced from the classical beliefs that made the Founders great, what does that say about the general populace.
IndianaDean said:"I would much rather live as a free man under the highly improbable threat of another significant Al-Qaida attack than I would as a serf, spied on by an oppressive government that can jail me secretly, without charges. If the Patriot Act defines the term ``patriot,'' then I am certainly not one.
By far, our own government is a bigger threat to our freedom than any possible menace posed by Al-Qaida."
That pretty much sums up my thoughts.
Ledhead686 said:1984's just running a little behind schedule is all.
Now don't forget: It is absolutely essential that we let Big Bro gradually usurp our freedoms in order that we may sleep more soundly at night. If it wasn't the current "the terrorists are gonna kill us all" fad sweeping the nation, Washington would come up with another pretense for domestic spying/surveillance, let's not kid ourselves.
would much rather live as a free man under the highly improbable threat of another significant Al-Qaida attack than I would as a serf, spied on by an oppressive government that can jail me secretly, without charges.
Oh, I feel so powerless. (OK, got that off my chest. Feel better now. Powerlessness only lasted 4.669... nsec.)Old Dog said:This must be one of those weeks on THR where all we see is people expressing their feelings of powerlessness.
See! I been tellin' you guys: don't judge a book by its cover. Evaluate each argument on its own merit. There's always some common ground... or is that common dreams?Preacherman said:For once, a loony-left Web site re-publishes an article I can agree with!
+1.Rick Reno said:I can't count the number of times I've read Bush speeches where he ties recent statist legislation with the words "freedom" and "liberty".