Somebody explain something for my dad...

[MTMilitiaman]

He's confused.

He has a Ruger P90 in stainless. It has a decocker so I keep telling him that it is a DA/SA. He keeps trying to pursuade me it is a DAO, to which I reply that DAOs don't need decockers. He's not listening. God bless the man, at least he is persistant. Maybe if enough people explain to him that he is wrong, he will learn something and actually listen to ya'll, cause he isn't listening to me.

 

[Catshooter]

If the pistol can be fired by two different methods of pulling the trigger (and the gun was designed that way) then it is Double (two, see?) action.

Dont' be hard on your dad, us old guys are worth listening to most of the time.


Cat

 

[noresttill]

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Auto-Pistols/Ruger_P90.htm

DA/DAO

 

[joab]

If the pistol can be fired by two different methods of pulling the trigger (and the gun was designed that way) then it is Double (two, see?) action.

Huh?


Tell your dad the rack the slide with the safety off
If the hammer stays back it is traditional DA, double action first shot single action subsequent shots.

If it does not stay cocked,(assuming that is working properly) or has a bobbed or concealed hammer it is DAO

DAO means that the hammer must be cocked and released by pulling the trigger

DA/SA means that it can be fired in either SA or DA mode like a DA revolver

 

[joab]

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms.../Ruger_P90.htm

DA/DAO

That site tells you that it can be either depending on how you ask them to configure your gun.

It can't be both traditional DA and DAO

 

[MTMilitiaman]

If the pistol can be fired by two different methods of pulling the trigger (and the gun was designed that way) then it is Double (two, see?) action.

Dont' be hard on your dad, us old guys are worth listening to most of the time.


Cat

In a DAO, the pistol has a single, long trigger pull. The motion of the slide does not cock the hammer, so the pistol does not need a decocker.

In a DA/SA, the pistol can be cocked, usually through a long DA first pull, after which the slide cocks the hammer. Subsequent shots are fired through a lighter trigger pull, though usually with a fair amount of slack, initially. Because these pistols are usually not equipped with safeties and thus can not be safely carried cocked and locked, they are usually equipped with a decocker.

Most SIGs, for example, are DA/SA. SIG offers are DAO, which they call a DAK, from which they remove the decocker, because it is not needed. Ruger even explains the difference on their website, but my dad argued even against that.

Here is the definition from Wikipedia:

Double Action Only (DAO) is a type of semi-automatic pistol trigger system whereby the hammer remains down when not firing and must be raised and cocked by the pull of the trigger in order to fire. This results in a long and heavy trigger pull which is regarded as safer and less prone to accidental discharge. In contrast, in a Double Action / Single Action (DA/SA) pistol the hammer is cocked by the rearward action of the slide meaning that all shots after the first have a short and light trigger pull, which is more conducive to accuracy. The hammer can also be cocked manually before the first shot, as it must be in a true single action semi-automatic pistol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Action_Only

DA/SA could be and has been described as Traditional Double Action, but it absolutely can not be correctly described as Double Action Only. There is a difference even if my dad and a few old timers refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[paccw]

Sure get us to do your dirty work

 

[joab]

Sounds like you have a good handle on the definitions.
Can you get him to look at the sites you have provided for us here? I'm thinking yes since you are going to get him to listen to us here.

Dad Listen to your boy, he ain't half dumb and knows what he's taling about (in this case at least).

I remember the first time some young pup tried to tell me about DA and SA automatics.
I dismissed him as being too stupid to know the difference between an automatic and a revolver.

 

[Majic]

Ask him to look at the hammer. If it has a spur then it's a DA/SA model. A DAO model has no hammer spur.

 

[noresttill]

That site tells you that it can be either depending on how you ask them to configure your gun.

It can't be both traditional DA and DAO

So...I basically brought nothing to the table? Geez, you sound like my girlfriend's parents! (just kidding)

Jesse

 

[psychophipps]

Let the old codger have his fantasy, he's earned it. It really doesn't matter in the long run. He wants to look like a gooferoo when he shows his pistol to someone who knows pistols, let him. He's old enough to not really care about 'correct', anyway.

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )