something quiet for my farm...
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Gryffydd
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You could get an H&R Buffalo Classic. It's a 45-70 with a 32" barrel. That may be too long for a tractor gun, but it is surprisingly handy and well balanced. Some subsonic loads from a barrel that long should be fairly quiet. They run about $375 or maybe less.
But then again, if you think a 22 Mag would be too loud I think you're out of luck.
But then again, if you think a 22 Mag would be too loud I think you're out of luck.
Zach S
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edit: Sam1911 beat me to it, and did a much better job.
Rem700SD
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It's not a gun, but a crossbow may do the trick. They're definately powerful enough and quiet. I'm not sure of the range tho.
The Lone Haranguer
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How wild, and how young? I don't think misdemeanor(s) will disqualify you. While I suppose the subsonic .45 (more of a "boom" report than the "crack" of a supersonic round) would be "quieter" than a .30-06, there is no centerfire pistol or rifle cartridge that is quiet unsuppressed.
A few posters here have already given you the answer. It's the 45-70 with heavy cast bullets and pistol type powders.
Done this myself for much the same reason.
500 grain Lee with some Unique loaded to 1040fps is a devastating 100 yard round unlike the 22 cals suggested by some. In terms of noise, my bench is about 75 yards from my house and the family says this is the quietest round I shoot other than a subsonic 22. From behind the butt it even seems even less annoying than a high velocity 22 air rifle I have.
One shot at 2 am is unlikely to wake your 300 yard neighbours and even if it did, one shot is all it's going to take and the neighbours will just roll over and go back to sleep without even realising why they were woken. Of course the tractor or ATV or spotlight might give you away.
Similar results are reported by friends using 44 Mag but once you've seen the results of a 500 grain cast even at just 1000 fps then nothing else compares for this sort of situation.
Done this myself for much the same reason.
500 grain Lee with some Unique loaded to 1040fps is a devastating 100 yard round unlike the 22 cals suggested by some. In terms of noise, my bench is about 75 yards from my house and the family says this is the quietest round I shoot other than a subsonic 22. From behind the butt it even seems even less annoying than a high velocity 22 air rifle I have.
One shot at 2 am is unlikely to wake your 300 yard neighbours and even if it did, one shot is all it's going to take and the neighbours will just roll over and go back to sleep without even realising why they were woken. Of course the tractor or ATV or spotlight might give you away.
Similar results are reported by friends using 44 Mag but once you've seen the results of a 500 grain cast even at just 1000 fps then nothing else compares for this sort of situation.
doc2rn
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To be honest if you wanna keep game like that away go to the zoo and ask for a couple of bags of lion dung, then sprinkle said excriment around your property. It keeps dogs and all kinds of animals from comin on your property.
I would recommend an 1894 Marlin in .38 special/.357. 100 yds is easy and its a great rifle I take mine everywhere.
I would recommend an 1894 Marlin in .38 special/.357. 100 yds is easy and its a great rifle I take mine everywhere.
oldfool
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like one other poster here, I was gong to suggest a 38/357
be it a lever action, or perhaps more in keeping with manner of use OP suggested, a simple economical NEF break open single shot
38 enough for small critters, 357 enough for whitetail under 100 yards, preferably more like 50-70 yards or so
however, I doubt any pistol caliber carbine, or even 22 WMR is really 'quiet' enough to meet implied criteria
a slug gun would do, (even a 20 ga slug), but again not real quiet
the crossbow was a pretty good suggestion, but (not being a crossbow guy), methinks practical distance is far too limited (?)... and a compound bow takes a lot of practice, and not real convenient to tote around either
still think 38sp in a single shot is about as quiet as you can hope for, not too annoying if shoot only an occasional round
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2nd thoughts, mach 1 is ~ 1100 fps, and even the generic 38sp load likelier to be ~ 1200 fps out of an ~18" barrel
and a "wadcutter" class 38 load don't knock down much
if handloading, need keep it down to ~1000 fps max for subsonic
and the fattest, heaviest bullet you can throw at ~1000 fps muzzle is about as quiet as you can hope for
45-70 or whatever
be it a lever action, or perhaps more in keeping with manner of use OP suggested, a simple economical NEF break open single shot
38 enough for small critters, 357 enough for whitetail under 100 yards, preferably more like 50-70 yards or so
however, I doubt any pistol caliber carbine, or even 22 WMR is really 'quiet' enough to meet implied criteria
a slug gun would do, (even a 20 ga slug), but again not real quiet
the crossbow was a pretty good suggestion, but (not being a crossbow guy), methinks practical distance is far too limited (?)... and a compound bow takes a lot of practice, and not real convenient to tote around either
still think 38sp in a single shot is about as quiet as you can hope for, not too annoying if shoot only an occasional round
add -
2nd thoughts, mach 1 is ~ 1100 fps, and even the generic 38sp load likelier to be ~ 1200 fps out of an ~18" barrel
and a "wadcutter" class 38 load don't knock down much
if handloading, need keep it down to ~1000 fps max for subsonic
and the fattest, heaviest bullet you can throw at ~1000 fps muzzle is about as quiet as you can hope for
45-70 or whatever
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308win
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I believe if you can pass the background check to own firearms you can get the stamp to buy a suppressor.
Tinpig
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As others have said, if you can get close enough, a compound bow is the quietest way to go.
Tinpig
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I'd look into getting a rifle chambered in .44 mag. One shot won't wake 'em up at dawn, and if it does, they ought to be up anyway (it is in the country, you know). With all of the roosters, trains, trucks, and cows running around at dawn, there's gonna be plenty of noise, anyway.
Edited to add: not sure if 44 mag out of a rifle will be any quieter than any other caliber. Just seemed like a good idea. Or you could use the .30-06 you've got. (just once at dawn!).
Edited to add: not sure if 44 mag out of a rifle will be any quieter than any other caliber. Just seemed like a good idea. Or you could use the .30-06 you've got. (just once at dawn!).
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KevininPa
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Crossbow
"It's not a gun, but a crossbow may do the trick."
Quiet.
Accurate.
Deadly.
No background checks.
And just plain fun!
"It's not a gun, but a crossbow may do the trick."
Quiet.
Accurate.
Deadly.
No background checks.
And just plain fun!
zootsuit002
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Living Trust
I know that here in NC one of the work arounds for sheriffs that will not sign off on suppresors is a living trust where the trust actually owns the suppresor. Here in Fayetteville a shop gave the contact information of a lawyer who would set one up for that purpose for $100.00. good people working the shop as well. Should be able to answer any questions that you have as to if this will work for you. Have heard that the living trust is the way to go and it has other benefits as well.
Phase V Supply
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516 South Reilly Road
Fayetteville, NC 28314-5620
(910) 484-4867
I know that here in NC one of the work arounds for sheriffs that will not sign off on suppresors is a living trust where the trust actually owns the suppresor. Here in Fayetteville a shop gave the contact information of a lawyer who would set one up for that purpose for $100.00. good people working the shop as well. Should be able to answer any questions that you have as to if this will work for you. Have heard that the living trust is the way to go and it has other benefits as well.
Phase V Supply
www.phase5supply.com
516 South Reilly Road
Fayetteville, NC 28314-5620
(910) 484-4867
zootsuit002
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clarification, the shop did not charge for the lawyers info, the lawyer would set you up a living trust for $100.00
Sam1911
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The compound bow or crossbow idea is not bad. Several folks have mentioned that range could be a problem, but remember that the O.P. has been successfully killing deer with a .22 LR. If he'd doing that, he's getting close and making solid head shots.
I'm sure he could make a crossbow work for him under those conditions.
I'm sure he could make a crossbow work for him under those conditions.
Zach S
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Its illegal to hunt with a crossbow in NC.
I know that you're doing pest control rather than hunting, but it may end up being a pain in the butt because of an uninformed officer - similar to out of state CHPs/CWPs.
I know that you're doing pest control rather than hunting, but it may end up being a pain in the butt because of an uninformed officer - similar to out of state CHPs/CWPs.
Sam1911
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Again, he's been shooting whitetails with a .22 LR., out of season, at night, etc. ... I doubt he's worried about getting hassled over his "hunting" methods.
give it a try, it will blow your mind... It was shown to me and I was more than skeptical... It comes straight out of the british SAS manual though, and really works great.
1 20 oz. coke bottle
1 2 liter coke bottle
cut the bottoms off of both, but the 20 oz. inside the 2 liter and glue together. then duct tape over both of the cut off bottoms. It gives you 2 expansion chambers, and 2 "wipes" of the duct tape. Did not hurt accuracy enough to notice either. subsonic ammo and you have a very very quiet toy. 1st shot is the quietest, then just replace little patches of duct tape after each subsequent shot...
*** this information is for the purpose of knowledge only and is not recommended for use as without proper permissions it would be highly illegal***
I sure wish this were legal, I would be using one in a heartbeat, but like I said I'm trying to be a good boy now and don't want to run foul of the law anymore.
Zach S
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That's a good point. However, I drive loud vehicles, have a heavy foot, and like my music loud. So, I've been pulled over several times, and have been armed for most of them in the past 6 or 7 years. For the longest time, it wasn't an issue. The officer would say "thanks for telling me, what and where are you carrying, dont reach for it," etc, and for the most part, the stop was pretty typical and I was never disarmed.
Then I went through a seat belt check one day, and didn't inform because I wasn't armed. I didnt live nearby so they ran my license, and my CHP popped up. I spent an hour or two on the side of the road while my car was searched (without my consent) and questioned about what kind of guns I own, why I owned them, if they were registered, why I have my CHP, etc etc etc.
Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it wont.
I have read the exploits of a number of NC residents who own SBRs and cans that are considered weapons of mass death and destruction under NC state law. On their Form 1's and 4's they write "Scientific Research and Design Purposes per GS 14-288.8(4)". Some of them are really doing research (ie. ballistic data, etc...), others fudge it a little bit to make it appear that they are bon-a-fidedly doing research (ie. logging data about their shooting activities), others could give a rat's ass because they have a federal permission slip...
Sam1911
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Well, your example provides a very good prompt for the OP and everyone else to a) follow the law exactly, b) KNOW the law and their rights, and c) respond to illegal infringements and hassling to the last inch of legal recourse.
Just because someone with a badge might hassle you doesn't mean you have to lie down and take that kind of treatment, or that they are immune from corrective actions.
In this thread, it seems that hipoint knows exactly where he stands vis-a-vis the law in his state, and I get the feeling he might quite enjoy the opportunity to help provide a "teaching opportunity" for someone who tried to overstep their legal authority.
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