South Dakota House Panel OK'S Bill Allowing Guns on Campuses

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This is an encouraging sign.Hopefully it will become law and other states will follow.Utah is already in place.

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House panel OKs bill allowing guns on campuses
By Chet Brokaw, The Associated Press Monday, February 04, 2008

Law-abiding people should be allowed to carry and possess guns on the campuses of South Dakota's public universities, a state House committee recommended Wednesday.

House panel OKs bill allowing guns on campuses

The State Affairs Committee voted unanimously to pass HB1261, which would guarantee people the right to carry or possess firearms on college campuses. The schools also would be prevented from expelling students or firing employees for having a gun on campus.

The panel later voted unanimously to kill a competing measure, sponsored by the Board of Regents, which sought to ban guns on campus.

Rep. Thomas Brunner, R-Nisland, the main sponsor of the bill allowing guns on campus, said most mass shootings in recent years have occurred in areas where guns are prohibited. Murderers have been able to kill many people because no one else was armed and able to stop them before law officers arrived, he said.

If more people carried guns, they could stop mass murderers before they kill so many people, Brunner said. The guard who shot and wounded a gunman at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs in December helped save lives, he said.

"Should a person have less freedom and safety than anyone else simply because he or she attends college?" Brunner said.

Nancy First, South Dakota coordinator of Second Amendment Sisters, said a handgun is the best defense for a woman walking at night on a college campus or anywhere else.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," First said.

The only opponent to the bill was Jim Shekleton, legal counsel for the state Board of Regents, who said allowing students and faculty to carry guns could make campuses more dangerous.

If other people exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more people cold be hurt or injured in the crossfire, Shekleton said. When law officers arrive, they might mistakenly shoot the wrong person if several people in the room are holding guns, he said.

"A free-fire zone is more likely to do more harm than good," Shekleton said.

The best way to prevent mass shootings on campuses is to improve the response when students or others exhibit disturbing behavior, Shekleton said. Last year's shooting at Virginia Tech was caused by a breakdown in identifying and handling a disturbed student, he said.

"By the time the weapon is drawn, it's too late," Shekleton said.

The defeated bill, HB1086, would have banned guns from campuses except for military training, ceremonial uses and classes involving firearms training. Shekleton said 21 other states have similar bans on guns on campuses, while many other states restrict weapons on campus to some extent.

He said Utah allows weapons to be carried on university campuses.

Brunner said he has children attending college, and he thinks allowing law-abiding citizens to carry weapons would improve campus safety.

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You're a little behind. Yesterday afternoon the House voted 63-3 to pass this bill, with 4 others excused from voting. That is an overwhelming majority. The bill will now be sent to the senate, where I expect a similiar majority vote.

One of the many reasons I love this state. :D
 
If other people exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more people cold be hurt or injured in the crossfire, Shekleton said. When law officers arrive, they might mistakenly shoot the wrong person if several people in the room are holding guns, he said.

Don't they teach you in your concealed permit classes not to shoot unless it's to protect from immediate death, serious injury, or forcible felony, so if you're in a situation where a bystander may be in trouble it's already a serious situation in the first place? What's the worst of the two evils?

Don't they teach you in the permit class not to point your gun at the police officer when they arrive and how to deal with that situation?
 
Rep. Thomas Brunner, R-Nisland, the main sponsor of the bill allowing guns on campus, said most mass shootings in recent years have occurred in areas where guns are prohibited. Murderers have been able to kill many people because no one else was armed and able to stop them before law officers arrived, he said.

So restrict the criminals and at the very least allow the law abiding permit holders who have passed a background check and have received valuable training to carry around, to keep those criminals who slip through "in check". CCW should be "shall issue" since most people who are murdered don't have a long background of people trying to kill them, so it's unfair to say the only ones who should be allowed to get CCW permits are those who show a reason for needing a gun (like they do in California :scrutiny:).

He said Utah allows weapons to be carried on university campuses.
I live in Utah and carry on campus. I don't see why it shouldn't be prohibited. Think how sad innocent victims are when they're killed and are unable to protect themselves because they're not allowed. :( I also don't understand why some people say if CCW is allowed, it'll distract from academic activities. I carry and it doesn't distract because when it's concealed no one cares. :cool: When it is announced on the news some freak out but quickly forget and then think about what Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan just did on tv. The only ones who really care and think about it longer than a day are those leaders from the University of Utah who are now appealing to federal courts trying to overturn the Utah Supreme Court decision (who sided with the legislature that it should be allowed). Those U of U leaders are saying that it's distracting to students and that students have a innate freedom to learn, even though it's not distracting to students. :banghead: At least it's not where I'm at, Utah State University.
 
Concealed handguns distract students? Pssh, by that logic they'd better ban the female body, which has proven more of a distraction when carried concealed (or openly :evil:) than any firearm I know of...
 
The schools also would be prevented from expelling students or firing employees for having a gun on campus.
Thats what we need to make happen here in OR, also.It's already 100% LEGAL to carry on school grounds with a CHL, but it's pretty much a guaruntee a teacher would be fired, or a student suspended if not expelled for doing it.a perfect example was the teacher in Bend, I think it was, who took this issue to court recently, as she had a CHL, and a psycho Ex-husband who had repaetedly been threatening her.Sadly, she lost the case, but I beleive she has appealed, and hopefully will prevail.Her attorney is a member of the Oregon Firearms Federation, our top notch 2A rights group for the state, who is considered THE lawyer in the state for 2A related issues.I've spoken to him a few time via email, and seems to genuinely be VERY passionate about defending the second amendment, and gun owner rights.He was kind enough to give me his 24/7 number if, God forbid, I ever needed his services.
 
Just an update: Today the Senate State Affairs Committee voted 7-1-1 to defer this bill to the 36th legislative day, effectively tabling this bill for the remainder of the session.
 
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