Spanish FR-8

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I recently purchased a Spanish FR-8 and was wondering if anyone here has one and how they like it. I have shot mine at the range, and it shoots great. Any gun that I own can far outshot me, but this one seems to really shot good. I am hitting the 10 ring at least 4 out of 5 rounds, and I am doing it with open sights at 75 yds. So if you have information about this weapon, please let me know.
 
I have one. I really like it, mostly for the history...nice transition weapon for Spain as they were converting over to CETMEs. As you probably know they use the cocking tupe (non functional...place to store the cleaning kit) and flash hider from the CETME (which the USGI birdcage FH looks remarkably like). I really like that they are a BAAR (bolt action assault rifle).

Very handy piece. Short, compact, light with good sights. Mine really whomps me though...that light weight with a medium recoil cartridge makes for a snappy range session.

Mine is a '52 La Corona and in really good shape...the bolt handle is bent but it hasn't been made clear to me if these were done aftermarket or if the arsenal bent any of them while they were in service.

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I agree with pretty much everything Kris has said. I looked for one for a while before lucking into one at a gunshow about a year and a half ago. Great shooting piece of history and a perfect companion to a CETME. Another good one to add to a Spanish rifle collection is a M1916 rifle converted to 7.62.

-jagd
 
I don't know about the bent FR-8 bolts. Both of mine were straight. It would be interesting to find out if it was done while in service though.
 
I've lucked into one back in 2000 at a Dunham's Sporting Goods that's in re-arsenaled near-mint condition with close to 100% on the Parkerizing. The main defect is a well executed arsenal repair to the toe of the stock. Otherwise it was in almost un(re)-issued condition. Mine has a straight bolt.

It's my understanding that they were for second-line issue, reserves and rear echelon logistical units etc., and for training. They were designed to get the most use of Spain's large stocks of obsolete Mausers, while maintaining maximum compatability with the CTME's accessories like the bayonet, and rifle grendades.

The HK/CETME style aperture sights are great for fast acquisition, but aren't quite the best for precision. However, it's a "human factor" with me personally. I didn't shoot so well with it, but that's because I've got more guns than time these days, and it's first and last major outing was a vintage military shoot, and I never quite got the elliptical windage setting right without screwing up my elevation during the limited sight-in period. I'm sure I could do better with some practice. I've never really been sat down and taught how to deal with 100 yard + targets when your irons are bigger than the black you're aiming at. I was just proud to have my shots hitting on paper.

It's just purely "handy", and if it weren't now slightly rare and very desirable, (and I lived on a ranch, farm, or in wilder settings than suburbia…) the FR-8 seems like a very serious contender for the perfect all-around "utility carbine".

Did anyone else ever find anything interesting in the fake CETME action tube for the bayonet? In mine, I had an original cleaning kit with string, brush, a pull-jag and a little vinyl packet of gun-oil. I've heard anecdotal tales of others finding old 60s vintage Spanish pesetas, and others with rolled up porn in theirs... :p

Oh, and p.s. there's been vicious internet gun-board banter on these rifles for YEARS going back to pre-web Usenet days that FR-8's and the similar FR-7's are unsafe with 7.62 NATO, but require the weaker loaded, but dimentionaly identical 7.62 CTME.

It's BUNK.

The 7.62 CETME was only issued as an aid for full-auto controlability in the CTME rifle, and as an experiment trying to duplicate ballistic "sweet spots" for assult rifles that the Spanish thought the WWII Germans had found with the 8mm Kurz for the StG44. It had nothing to do with safety or the pressure tolerance of the CTME, or it's sister bolt-actions.

The large ring Mauser actions of the FR-8 and the small-ring based FR-7 have been tested to several times the pressure of a NATO proof load. So barring any flaws in your individual rifle, the FR-8 and the FR-7 should be safe with surplus 7.62 NATO, or mild .308 commercial or handloads that stay on the right side of the 50k psi. NATO spec.
 
My FR8 is a sweet shooter! It does not kick as hard as my Savage .308 but shoots at least as good and accurately (with my level of skill, I should say ;) )

Best I can figure on mine is that the horizontal, open sight is for use at around 100yards, then the lower aperture sight is for 200yds, then the higher aperture is for 300yds+. I have not been able to fully utilize the aperture sights at the 100 yard range that I shoot at, however, the "wisemen" at the range have told me that this is the way the FR8 was set up.
 
I thought it was combined gas & bolt action first but realised its a tube magazine

No, it's got a standard Mauser 5 round internal box magazine under the bolt like most any other bolt action.

The tube is purely cosmetic, and mimics the CETME's and the HK's tube for the charging handle and extra bolt mass so that a CETME bayonet can be mounted, and the Spanish army could standardize on accessories as much as possible. On the CETME and the similar roller-locked recoil operated (not gas) HK's that the CETME inspired, the tube is on the top. On the FR-8, it was moved underneath as it serves no functional purpose other than the bayonet mount and cleaning kit storage, and would interfere with the sights.

The space inside is used for a small cleaning kit.
 
Were they a transitional weapon or a training rifle?

I dunno...my only source of info is from the few sites that actually discuss the rifle. Here's an exerpt...but it's only as good as the info being put in.

http://www.gunsworld.com/spain/cetmefr8_us.html

For many years, the model 1916 (based on the german Mauser mod. 1893) and, afterwards, model 1943 rifles (based on the german Mauser mod. 1898) were the official issue for the spanish Armies. However, after WW II, it was evident that the future trend was an individual weapon, capable of firing in both semi-auto or full-auto mode: The german Sturmgewëhr became, so, the spanish CETME Assault Rifle.

Back in the 50's, the three Armies (Ground, Navy and Air Force) began replacing the venerable rifles that had given a so good result, by the new assault rifles (that, as we can see now, would give even better results). However, with the progressive adoption of the CETME, the problems derived from maintaining two official issue, mutually excluding rifles began to arise . On one hand, they weren't enough CETMEs to equip all the soldiers (remember, Spain was then under a more-or-less official international freezing, and production was awfully slow), and, on the other, the military magazines were being filled with perfectly usable Mauser rifles that, moreover, fired a cartridge that was facing a near extinction.

And, as the Army never throws away anything, someone proposed to create an hybrid rifle, making good use of the Mauser stock and locks to mount a CETME barrel. The Reformed Rifles 7 and 8 (or Fusil Reformado 7 and 8) had been born.
The FR-7 was based on the 1916 rifle (recognisable by its curved lever and its two-lugs locking), and the FR-8 on the 1943 model (with a three-lug locking and a straight lever).

As more and more military units were adopting the CETME, the Cetmeton was being banished to the auxiliary units, or as an "expendable" rifle for training uses, and, finally, it was exported as a shooting and hunting rifle.

As a curious fact, given that the 7'62x51 cartridge has been banned in Spain until recently, the Cetmeton was sold abroad, with what we assist again to the paradox, each time more frequent, of having to import a "Made in Spain" gun.
 
Love My Spanish/German Short Rifle

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One handy rifle.

It is my weapon of choice for my October Appleseed shoot.
 
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