Specially armored Humvees bound for Iraq

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By David Josar and Ivana Avramovic, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Sunday, November 23, 2003


STUTTGART, Germany — The U.S. European Command has shifted roughly 600 specially armored Humvees to Iraq, where they will be used to fill a shortage of the urgently needed vehicles, according to a Pentagon spokesman.

Most of those vehicles, which began being moved in July, have come from the Balkans, said Army Maj. Gary Tallman, a Pentagon spokesman.

The shift is part of a plan to get nearly 3,000 of the specially outfitted Humvees to Iraq, where they can protect U.S. troops from insurgents using conventional firearms, improvised bombs and grenades that can cripple a regular Humvee.

Of the roughly 120 U.S. combat-related deaths in Iraq since May 1, about 30 were the result of attacks on vehicles either by a bomb or small-arms fire.

Earlier this month, there were about 1,500 so-called “up-armored†Humvees in Iraq, Tallman said, or one for every 85 troops.

Tallman said that an armored Humvee, which costs about $150,000, is a “specialty†vehicle that historically has not been relied upon as much as it is needed now in Iraq.

The race to get more armored Humvees into Iraq has been accelerated by a $177 million appropriation to purchase vehicles. The appropriation is part of the $87 billion supplemental funding bill for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of the vehicles will go to Iraq.

The $177 million will buy about 1,200 armored Humvees. But the Ohio-based company that builds and adds armor to the Humvees can produce only so many of the vehicles at once, Tallman said.

“This takes time,†he said. “The factory has to gear up.â€

An armored Humvee has a 2-inch-thick windshield and windows and a metal-composite skin that can stop bullets. The underside, front and rear are also reinforced for protection against mines and grenades.

According to the company that produces the armored Humvee, American Motors General, the idea is that, although the vehicle may be destroyed, the occupants would survive the attack.

American Motors General makes the Humvee, and one of its subsidiaries installs the armor package. It takes about four days to add armor to a Humvee.

O’Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt, which installs the armor, usually produces about 30 a month. Company officials said they hope to more than double production to 80 a month beginning this month, and to produce as many as 220 a month by the spring.

Still, even at the increased production pace, U.S. Central Command, which directs operations in Iraq, may not have all the armored Humvees it wants until next fall.

The command began pleading for more of the vehicles this summer.

In May, according to Tallman, there were 235 armored Humvees in Iraq. By August, CENTCOM wanted 1,233 of the Humvees in Iraq, and by September that request had shot up to 3,000, he said.

According to the Defense Department, when CENTCOM made its initial request, there were about 3,100 of the armored Humvees in its entire inventory.

Tallman said he does not know which units will be getting the armored Humvees.

In the meantime, troops on the ground are improving their existing Humvees with sandbags and plywood boxes to give themselves extra protection.

Sandbags are placed on the floor to absorb part of a blast coming up from the road, and plywood walls are erected across the open back of a Humvee to offer some shelter from bullets and other flying objects.

“We needed those vehicles yesterday,†said Staff. Sgt. Michael Perez, military policeman who in August was stationed at Camp Bukka, a prisoner of war camp, in southern Iraq near the Kuwaiti border.

Perez said troops are “constantly†on edge because they know the Humvees they have will not stop a round from an AK-47 assault rifle and are especially vulnerable to mines and grenades.

“If we had them, we could do our jobs better. We would still worry about our security, but a slip-up may not be as deadly,†he said.

The movement of armored Humvees out of the Balkans has been an easy transition, according to officials there.

“The Army is looking at administration and staff sections [in Bosnia and Herzegovina] that really don’t have a need for these [armored] Humvees,†said Army Capt. Chuck Traxler, a spokesman for U.S. troops in Bosnia.

“The environment in Bosnia is fairly stable compared to other areas,†he said, and noted that the public affairs office has three armored Humvees that have not been used in 18 months. Those vehicles are earmarked for Iraq.

“They may as well be sent to where they’ll get used, where they’re needed,†Traxler said.

He said some armored Humvees would remain and would be used for patrols. Those that are being sent to Iraq would be replaced with conventional ones, he said.
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=18875
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=236198

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Ivana Avramovic / S&S
Shown is a Humvee without special armor at Eagle Base, Bosnia and Herzegovina. So-called "up armored" Humvees are being sent from Europe to Iraq to keep U.S. troops safer from attacks.
 
OT for L&P.

Lets try it in general, as there is a firearms link.

Coronach
 
O’Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt, which installs the armor, usually produces about 30 a month. Company officials said they hope to more than double production to 80 a month beginning this month, and to produce as many as 220 a month by the spring.


Not that impressive.



By the end of 1944, Chance Vought was turning out 300 Corsairs a month, or one complete airplane every 82 minutes.

http://www.vought.com/heritage/special/html/sf4u4.html

And that's just one type of plane. The same thing was happening for Mustangs, Seafurys, a range of bombers, and transports. To say nothing of the Liberty Ships. IIRC at peek production they were spitting out a ship every couple of days.
 
The up-armored HMMWVs are overweight for the suspension, hard to get in and out of and have to be airconditioned because you can't open the windows. The AC is tough to keep operating and the engines tend to overheat.

This was a not very satisfactory interim solution. There are plenty of better purpose built armored vehicles. I don't think they'll do well in Iraq.

Jeff
 
BluesBear: They cost $80k for civilians with all the options, I bet the government pays more like $30k-$40k for one.

Kharn
 
I'm not certain from the pic, but I'm 99% sure that the one shown isn't an up-armour HUMMER. Looks like you can see the canvas doors and back on it.
The armoured ones are all "fast back" (hardback) types. Canvas doesn't stop much, even armoured canvas:rolleyes:

The things weren't meant for eveyone to have one and they don't really fix things.

The guys should be in real APC's, not a bandaid solution.

I'm beginning to think that we will never learn. Didn't Somalia teach us something:banghead:

The concept now is for the "armored" divisions to leave their tanks at home.

I just don't get it.
 
For the individual interested in armored stuff a search on O'gara hess and whatever will turn up some stuff. They do lots of different types of vehicles and are known around the world. One of their more common vehicles for export is a suburban that does not meet epa standards for the USA, I don't know what is different to cause that. They beef up the suspensions before adding armor and offer several levels of protection.

However, the person who said the hummers are usually overweight is correct for most armored vehicles. There is a new kevlar panel used that adds less weight than items used in the past, but a fully armored vehicle is very heavy and the driver needs to respect the weight since it is able to wear parts out very quickly.
 
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