Speedload exercises?

[pax]

Like many posters above, I think the fleshy part of the hand gives a more positive ejection of the empties.

Remember gravity is your friend, so use it. Turn the gun all the way up to empty, all the way down to fill.

When putting the new rounds in, I always anchor the butt of the gun against my stomach so I've got a felt index where the gun is if I have to do it in the dark.

pax

 

[Malamute]

"When putting the new rounds in, I always anchor the butt of the gun against my stomach so I've got a felt index where the gun is if I have to do it in the dark."



Good idea, I never thought of that detail.


I put the butt of single action revolvers in my solar plexus when ejecting empties. It's very quick done this way.

 

[9mmepiphany]

i index by putting my support thumb in one of the flutes of the cylinder. my strong hand index finger then indexes between two cases. then strong hand index finger finds support hand thumb. on my K-frame and python this lines the bullets up with the chambers.

this allows you to reload in the dark while moving. yup us old timers have all kinds of skills they no longer teach.

 

[.38 Special]

Sorry for dragging up an old thread, but I didn't want to start a whole thread for a single question.

So, what's fast? That is to say, how fast can a top guy reload? I'm working with a model 19 and comp IIIs, and haven't yet gotten below three seconds. I see Miculek doing it in 1.5 or thereabouts, but that's with moon clips.

 

[9mmepiphany]

jerry can run a reload about as fast as folks shooting bottomfeeders. with moon clips, you have the advantage of being able to just drop the full clip into the cylinder (at least with the .45acp rounds)

with speedloaders, you have to add the time to push the rounds into the chambers...hopefully you've already learned to just let go of the loaders after they release...before re-establishing your shooting grip.

i'm thinking, with some practice, you should be able to go from last shot to first shot in about 2 secs.

your goal should be to be able to reload just as fast with either a wheelgun or a slabside

 

[.38 Special]

Heh. I suck out loud with semiautos. Too many parts flying around.

Managing the speedloaders is my trouble right now. My background is Bianchi style shooting so I've never worked on rapid loading before. Chief among my problems seems to be the aftermarket rubber stocks are catching the loader just a touch and slowing the process considerably. Some Jordan Troopers are in the works and will hopefully solve that. I also mean to try the Comp II which looks to be a good bit shorter.

If I can get to two seconds I'll be faster than anyone I personally know with a semi-auto. Which would be nice.

 

[9mmepiphany]

the first time i saw a wheel gun reload beat a semi-auto i went into shock

what made it even worst was that he was shooting a smith M-19 and using HKS speedloaders (alot slower than a comp III) against a beretta 92 (with the huge magwell) :banghead:

FWIW...there is actually less movement in reloading a semi-auto

 

[Pat Cannon]

Oh yeah by six seconds I mean she can open the cylinder dump the empties, reload from the strip and close the cylinder in six seconds.

My best time is 4.5 but it took (takes) a lot of practice to get (stay) there.

Bluesbear, that gives me something to shoot for (so to speak)! The best I've done yet with the Speed Strip is 10-point-something. Thanks -- you and everybody -- for the tips!

 

[shooting on a shoestring]

Consider it this way...

First, great thread, good responses, I'm even sitting here with a full HKS in my pocket and am seriously thinking of dumping the live rounds out of my ccw and practicing some of these ideas with snap caps. BUT....

I my world, reloading happens after the gunfight. If I am facing one or two opponets, my revolver carries enough ammuntion. Three opponets or more, I expect to run out of time before I run out of ammunition.

Dad has an original flat top Ruger, five rounds, hammer down on the empty chamber. A buddy told him to get a modern revolver and load it with six. Dad said "If I can't hit it in 5, I can't hit it."

Outside of the shooting games, is there really a need for fast reloads? If I've placed my shots will I still need to do a tactical reload? If I haven't placed my shots from the first cylinder, is it realistic to expect speedloader skills to save my skin?

 

[.38 Special]

I'm a gamer, to be perfectly honest. I like guns and I like shooting and that's all the excuse I need. When something catches my fancy (the "Bill Jordan" method, at the moment) I pursue it until I get bored with it, and then I move on to something else. I'm aware that being handy with a gun carries with it some remote possibility of actually being useful to me someday, and I do keep a revolver in the nightstand, but like I said, I'm really just playing with guns.

Do I think being quick with a speedloader -- let alone being .32 of a second quicker than the next guy -- is serious business? Not in the slightest. In point of fact, at least part of the reason I'm practicing with the speedloader is the hope that I will someday have the opportunity to embarrass some "tactical" goofball with his thigh-mounted semiauto.

Hey, at least I'm big enough to admit how petty I am!

 

[9mmepiphany]

it hard to say how useful it might be.

i learned it because, when i was working patrol we used to practice in the dark. then i got into PPC shooting and the faster you could reload, the more time you had to aim.

i keep a speedloader by the nightstand gun just because. it i do have to use the gun and i put someone down, i think i'd like a fully loaded gun in my hand before i moved from cover.

having seen how fast moonclips work, i may have to get an 8 shot M-627 PC and have it worked over by randy lee of apex tactical

 

[9mmepiphany]

at least part of the reason I'm practicing with the speedloader is the hope that I will someday have the opportunity to embarrass some "tactical" goofball with his thigh-mounted semiauto.

you can really have fun by learning how to shot a J-frame really well and winning "beer money" from folks who don't think you can hit out to 25 yards

 

[.38 Special]

you can really have fun by learning how to shot a J-frame really well and winning "beer money" from folks who don't think you can hit out to 25 yards

I spent a few years being "serious" about long range sixgunning with .44 Magnum and .45 Colt, burning candles to Elmer Keith, etc.

There was a point in time when I maybe could have made a living betting "one box a year" hunters on 200 and 300 yard shots.

I think that's a big part of the fun with revolvers for me: a lot of folks think they're useless, and opening their eyes can be a real kick!

 

[Headless]

Outside of the shooting games, is there really a need for fast reloads? If I've placed my shots will I still need to do a tactical reload? If I haven't placed my shots from the first cylinder, is it realistic to expect speedloader skills to save my skin?

i can see alot of scenarios where you've got a few seconds before being engaged by a second badguy after emptying your cylinder into a first attacker..being able to do it in 4 seconds sure beats needing 10 seconds when there's a guy leaping out of a car with a gun, right down the street, because you've shot his accomplice