Spooky stuff this Soros guy, Hillary and the Democrat party

[Lone_Gunman]

Hugo Chavez could just decide that he doesn't like selling to imperial US scum and reduce oil shipments to the US. It'd take a bit of time before we'd be able to secure alternate supplies and prices would spike.

Could he and Venezuela stand to do that, even for the short term? The Venezuelan economy is less stable than ours. They need to sell us oil worse than we need to buy it from them. I don't think that short term (say the next 6 weeks), they could impact our gasoline prices.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Interesting sidebar on energy, and kicking the last leg out from beneath the Soviet stool:

We used an economic software weapon on the Soviets, which caused an overpressure condition and a huge explosion in a natural gas pipeline.

Nobody directly injured.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4394002

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

They need to sell us oil worse than we need to buy it from them. I don't think that short term (say the next 6 weeks), they could impact our gasoline prices.

The point is that Chavez can continue to sell us oil (and at higher prices) while easily undoing anything that "Big Oil" in the U.S. could conspire to do. And it doesn't have to be Chavez.. he is just in the best position to do it.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I still dont see how Chavez selling us oil could undo a conspiracy by Big Oil to lower prices right before an election. If he continued to sell oil, wouldnt that drive the price down even further?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Gas today cost $1.98 a gallon, six weeks before elections

Oil and gas prices have gone down in other countries outside
the influence of any Texas Big Oil conspiracy, unless Bush is
conspiring to go beyond buying the election with cheap gas,
but is going to rule the world, nya-ha-ha-ha.

Soros has too much influence in american politics but that does
not prove the existence of a "Shadow Party" just as oil and gas
prices going down and elections coming up can be totally
coincidental.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Soros has too much influence in american politics but that does
not prove the existence of a "Shadow Party" just as oil and gas
prices going down and elections coming up can be totally
coincidental.

That is my whole point. Neo-Conservatives will enthusiastically believe in the Shadow Party, and deny a big oil conspiracy. Liberals do exactly the opposite.

 

[romma]

Welcome To The New World

Where individuality gives way to the "collective good". After all, people either in power or grappling for power know what is best for all of us. Make no mistake about it, there is at least one or more concerted efforts under way to rule,censor and restrict what we may or may not do. Gun control, media control, energy control, revenue control, birth control, impulse control and control control... My hands can't type all the different control methods currently being implemented because they hurt from typing so much... And besides, you get the point.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I still dont see how Chavez selling us oil could undo a conspiracy by Big Oil to lower prices right before an election. If he continued to sell oil, wouldnt that drive the price down even further?

Venezuela is number three on the list of countries we buy oil from (behind Canada and Mexico). Venezuela sells us more oil than Saudi Arabia does AND they own the refining capacity in the U.S. to process it into gasoline.

So say gas drops $0.10 a gallon - all Hugo has to do is throttle back on the output of crude oil and the output of refineries owned. He doesn't have to stop selling entirely (despite the "all or nothing" nature of the Internet). Gas will soon be back up to its original price. As to whether Venezuela can afford to do that, they certainly can bear the expense better than a cartel of smaller private corporations.

Here is some more info on gas prices and comparative demand:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp

 

[Correia]

And you guys thought that "Welcome Home Mr. Nightcrawler" was a work of fiction.

 

[CAnnoneer]

Most of the fragments are probably true, but I doubt the existence of an all-pervasive conspiracy. Human societies instead exhibit a form of "collective" intelligence in that a number of people in different positions and of different views end up pushing the whole system into a particular convergent direction albeit for generally divergent reasons. That is why what has to be defeated is the very ideology of the left, at the most general level possible. Only that would stop the disparate busybody cogwheels in the machine from turning the wrong way...

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Right-wingers like Scaife and Coors have been funneling funds to thier favorite political operatives for decades. It's about time the other side got some cojones. We are well on our way to being some kind of a facist one-party dictatorship.

 

[Fletchette]

Geekwitha45:

In the spectrum from cockup to conspiracy, I usually come down on the side of cockup, but this one, stripped down to bare essentials, might have some elements of truth to it:


* We know that Soros is a Player
* We know that he seeks power and influence, and spends his cash freely to obtain it.
* We know that he's sympathetic to extremish leftism.
* We know that he's played these games before.
* We know that McCain-Fiengold was a fraud. (We have video of Treglia talking about how he orchestrated a puppet play for congress, backed by 8 or 9 leftist Foundations.)
* We deeply suspect that the Dem party has been compromised by people far further left than their constituents.
* We generally regard, with room for debate, that the leftist influence to have departed the wide sphere of what's generally considered consistent with the Lockean premise of American principles.


So the pattern seems to hold.

This is also my take. While people are typically skeptical of "conspiracy theories" (which is a good thing, by the way) I see some truth to this one. The Soros faction of the Democrat Party has reminded me of the Bolsheviks and Nazis in their infancy. Both of those groups were a) minority populations that took power surreptitiously and b) conspiracies that actually did occur, no tin-foil required.

A German in the late 20's or a Russian in the early 20th century would probably scoff at someone worried about those conspiracies.

Read my signature line.

 

[Fletchette]

I’ve often wondered what a multi-billionaire would stand to gain from turning the United States into a “socialist hive”—besides bankruptcy, I mean.

~G. Fink

Power.

 

[Fletchette]

Interesting sidebar on energy, and kicking the last leg out from beneath the Soviet stool:

We used an economic software weapon on the Soviets, which caused an overpressure condition and a huge explosion in a natural gas pipeline.

Nobody directly injured.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4394002

Very interesting. From the article:

"The files were incredibly explicit. They set forth the extent of Soviet penetration into U.S. and other Western laboratories, factories and government agencies."

"Reading the material caused my worst nightmares to come true," Weiss recalled. The documents showed the Soviets had stolen valuable data on radar, computers, machine tools and semiconductors, he wrote. "Our science was supporting their national defense."

This could aptly describe the present situation with the Chinese. Somehow, I am less than optimistic that we have a Reagan that is looking out for our country.

Also note: the Russian spy that helped us in this program did so for ideological reasons. This is direct evidence against all those who believe "economic reasons" are behind everything. Ideas matter.

That Russian should be commended.

 

[MechAg94]

I don't see anyone believing in some all powerful conspiracy. This is just a rich foreiner trying to buy influence in US politics and being somewhat successful at it. Like I said earlier, he ain't the only one and he don't have enough money himself to do it all.

 

[thumbody]

I’ve often wondered what a multi-billionaire would stand to gain from turning the United States into a “socialist hive”—besides bankruptcy, I mean.

~G. Fink

The tax laws of the US whether as they are now or under socialism wouldn't affect Soros at all. He has his money invested in offshore banks that the US gov can't touch. That is why people like him and the Kennedy clan are for keeping the inheritance taxes high or raising them,they are not affected. Only those whose money is invested in the US. Those folks didn't get rich by playing by the same rules that apply to commoners.