Rob96
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Tam beat me.
Springfield Rant-2
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Tamara
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...further, the MIM and cast parts on a stainless Springer would not show a (and I quote):
unless someone had spray-painted carbon steel parts and put them on the gun after they bought it. The parts are flash-chromed before they are fitted to the firearm.
I can provide photos of as many grip safeties and thumb safeties as we have lying about the shop in order to verify this; my camera does swell macrophotography.
unless someone had spray-painted carbon steel parts and put them on the gun after they bought it. The parts are flash-chromed before they are fitted to the firearm.
I can provide photos of as many grip safeties and thumb safeties as we have lying about the shop in order to verify this; my camera does swell macrophotography.
1911Tuner
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Pro
Interesting...Maybe I'll be able to have an up-close look at the insides of a
Pro one day soon. I think I remember a range member sayin' that his brother had one. Now, if he'll just let me have at it....
I might have been mistaken...but I coulda sworn that the gun I saw for 100 was a pro...and it wasn't stainless. Hmmmm...
I'll call
Bill tomorrow and ask him.
Interesting...Maybe I'll be able to have an up-close look at the insides of a
Pro one day soon. I think I remember a range member sayin' that his brother had one. Now, if he'll just let me have at it....
I might have been mistaken...but I coulda sworn that the gun I saw for 100 was a pro...and it wasn't stainless. Hmmmm...
I'll callBill tomorrow and ask him.
Wichaka
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Looks as if I got someones tail in a knot.......
I stand corrected........it was a SS TRP-Pro model. He paid 1,050 for it. My buddies gun? yes, and I've worked on it, replacing all the guts that are junk. I can leave a list if ya want. I say again.........very sad for 1,000 clams. Flash Chromed? Sorry...........uh no..........I'm not sorry......... but I don't stay up on the latest crap that's made to look like something else. They look spray painted. It was one of the worst quality jobs of trying to imitate SS I've ever seen.
I build 1911's for L.E. personnel. Most of the time I get aftermarket slides & frames, sometimes they bring in their own stuff. But I haven't been exposed to the garb that's out there much until recently. With all the hoopla over the SA models lately, its all I've been working on lately.
Oh how I wish someone would bring in an old Colt. Steel I say..........Steel!
Okay Old Fuff, talk me down.........more coffee Tuner!
Tamara;
Then I figured I'd drag it back up as a splendid example of the foolhardiness of believing what you read on the internet, even if presented by someone who presents themselves as a 'grizzled veteran'.
Ouch!...........let me pull that out of my back!!!!!!!!
Geez give me chance to respond. Besides work & the family..........I've got two other biz things I do. 1911's and Horse Packing. Check out my web site; troutlakepackstation.com
Wanna take a shot at my ponies too? Just don't walk too close behind them..........ya might get a 0 shoe up side the head.
I stand corrected........it was a SS TRP-Pro model. He paid 1,050 for it. My buddies gun? yes, and I've worked on it, replacing all the guts that are junk. I can leave a list if ya want. I say again.........very sad for 1,000 clams. Flash Chromed? Sorry...........uh no..........I'm not sorry......... but I don't stay up on the latest crap that's made to look like something else. They look spray painted. It was one of the worst quality jobs of trying to imitate SS I've ever seen.
I build 1911's for L.E. personnel. Most of the time I get aftermarket slides & frames, sometimes they bring in their own stuff. But I haven't been exposed to the garb that's out there much until recently. With all the hoopla over the SA models lately, its all I've been working on lately.
Oh how I wish someone would bring in an old Colt. Steel I say..........Steel!
Okay Old Fuff, talk me down.........more coffee Tuner!
Tamara;
Then I figured I'd drag it back up as a splendid example of the foolhardiness of believing what you read on the internet, even if presented by someone who presents themselves as a 'grizzled veteran'.
Ouch!...........let me pull that out of my back!!!!!!!!
Geez give me chance to respond. Besides work & the family..........I've got two other biz things I do. 1911's and Horse Packing. Check out my web site; troutlakepackstation.com
Wanna take a shot at my ponies too? Just don't walk too close behind them..........ya might get a 0 shoe up side the head.
1911Tuner
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Pistols
Pros...TRPs...TLEs...EXPs...PPTs...UVRs...Fairly makes me poor old head spin!
Truth is that while I can spot the lines of a 1911 pattern pistol across a crowded 50-foot room, when I walk up and see ducktails and skin graters
on the front strap, and rear sights that'd bone a drumstick, I lose interest. We used to dehorn the things, and now they put'em there on purpose!
I'll call Bill and report back...I think it was a Pro.
Pros...TRPs...TLEs...EXPs...PPTs...UVRs...Fairly makes me poor old head spin!
Truth is that while I can spot the lines of a 1911 pattern pistol across a crowded 50-foot room, when I walk up and see ducktails and skin graters
on the front strap, and rear sights that'd bone a drumstick, I lose interest. We used to dehorn the things, and now they put'em there on purpose!
I'll call Bill and report back...I think it was a Pro.
Gunsnrovers
Member
From my experience in OEM production, there are two basic types of quality control.
Type 1) 100% quality control. Focus is one high quality control and stopping problems before they leave the warehouse.
Type 2) 100% customer satisfaction. Focus is production volume with warranty and customer service resolving quality issues after shipment.
Company management tends to focus on one of the above two policies. I've seen single companies have both policies in place. One for one product line and the other for a different product.
Both types have their merits, costs of business, etc.
IMHO. YMMV.
Type 1) 100% quality control. Focus is one high quality control and stopping problems before they leave the warehouse.
Type 2) 100% customer satisfaction. Focus is production volume with warranty and customer service resolving quality issues after shipment.
Company management tends to focus on one of the above two policies. I've seen single companies have both policies in place. One for one product line and the other for a different product.
Both types have their merits, costs of business, etc.
IMHO. YMMV.
Tamara
Senior Member
1911Tuner,
Funny, happens I just happen to be toting the Pro today. Tell you what: there's noplace in North Cackalacky that's too far from my crib, so you pick the meeting spot somewhere's between us. I'll bring the Pro and you bring the Bandaids, and I'll give you a five-dollar bill for every stitch you can cause on yore hands from this pistol in an un-field-stripped state. Do we have a deal?
Wichaka,
Not at all. You made a statement that was factually incorrect, and I called you on it.
No, it wasn't. There is no such thing as an "SS TRP-Pro model."
The Professional Model, aka "TRP-Pro" is a hand-built, limited production, carbon steel gun from the Springfield Custom Shop, available only as the FBI spec'ed it out, in your choice of Black-T finish, Black-T finish, or Black-T finish; whichever you prefer, and whichever happen to be overruns from the FBI's production this month. The "TRP" is a normal production Springfield with slightly more attention paid to hand-fitting and is available in blue or stainless, with or without a rail.
Next thing you know, someone will be saying that these expensive pistols are too girly to run when they get dirty...
...or that maybe they need special maintenance when cleaning, 'cause of their "ducktails"...
Funny, happens I just happen to be toting the Pro today. Tell you what: there's noplace in North Cackalacky that's too far from my crib, so you pick the meeting spot somewhere's between us. I'll bring the Pro and you bring the Bandaids, and I'll give you a five-dollar bill for every stitch you can cause on yore hands from this pistol in an un-field-stripped state. Do we have a deal?
Wichaka,
Looks as if I got someones tail in a knot.......
Not at all. You made a statement that was factually incorrect, and I called you on it.
No, it wasn't. There is no such thing as an "SS TRP-Pro model."
The Professional Model, aka "TRP-Pro" is a hand-built, limited production, carbon steel gun from the Springfield Custom Shop, available only as the FBI spec'ed it out, in your choice of Black-T finish, Black-T finish, or Black-T finish; whichever you prefer, and whichever happen to be overruns from the FBI's production this month. The "TRP" is a normal production Springfield with slightly more attention paid to hand-fitting and is available in blue or stainless, with or without a rail.
Next thing you know, someone will be saying that these expensive pistols are too girly to run when they get dirty...
...or that maybe they need special maintenance when cleaning, 'cause of their "ducktails"...
1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
In Stitches
Awww...Calm down Tam. I never said they ain't nice guns...They just don't
fascinate me the way they do some folks. I got my eyeballs too sharpened up lookin' for the old warhorses and pre-war Colts...
Grizzled ol' Tuner from North Cackalacky...(I think I could write a song usin' that for a title.)
Awww...Calm down Tam. I never said they ain't nice guns...They just don't
fascinate me the way they do some folks. I got my eyeballs too sharpened up lookin' for the old warhorses and pre-war Colts...
Grizzled ol' Tuner from North Cackalacky...(I think I could write a song usin' that for a title.)
Jammer Six
member
You're not going to break into song again, are you?
Wildalaska
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Why get a springer when ya can buy a Colt cheaper...
Or could
Some guys did
WildrubbinitinAlaska
Or could
Some guys did
WildrubbinitinAlaska
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This thread...I just wanted to say Hi !
I've been reading, eating fried apple pies, shooting an old K frame ( model 10 of course) and one old Colt Detective....
I always like to see the pictures of Tamara's Range Test and Maintenance
Thank you Ma'am.
I'm reading and learning - thanks folks!
I've been reading, eating fried apple pies, shooting an old K frame ( model 10 of course) and one old Colt Detective....
I always like to see the pictures of Tamara's Range Test and Maintenance
Thank you Ma'am.
I'm reading and learning - thanks folks!
Wildalaska
member
Noticed btw that Tams sink is a bit...well shall we say in need of a polishing...
Just noting that for the record, I would never have the gall to post a pic of my digs, SWMBO would commit seppuku.."Shame, why you show mess"
WildgetoutthecometAlaska
Just noting that for the record, I would never have the gall to post a pic of my digs, SWMBO would commit seppuku.."Shame, why you show mess"
WildgetoutthecometAlaska
One time during my misspent youth I accidentally dropped a 1950’s Colt Government Model out of a spring-clip shoulder holster. I quickly found it back by my target, but gravel from the side of the pit had rolled down and covered it except for a corner of the butt. 
I took it home, used Tam’s cleaning system to get most of the dirt off, and then detail stripped the pistol to finish the job.
But “Fuff’s system†is slightly different than Tamara’s ….
I remove the grips before starting the bath.
I took it home, used Tam’s cleaning system to get most of the dirt off, and then detail stripped the pistol to finish the job.
But “Fuff’s system†is slightly different than Tamara’s ….
I remove the grips before starting the bath.
1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
Ducktails and Geegaws
I'm havin' me a large time on this one...I especially liked the
shots of the bath that Tam's givin' her pistol.
Tell ya what...When I get all my runnin' and doin' done today, I'll do a thread on exactly why I don't like ducktails speed bumps and checkers under my fingers, since nobody has asked, seeking instead to flame the position. The reasons are decidedly not personal, but rather
practical in nature.
See...I have tried pistols with all that stuff on'em...for thousands of rounds, just tryin' to get it to come together. I even built one just to see what the deal was, and shot it extensively. I sold it at a loss. I found them eminently satisfying, and useful for a singular purpose, but somewhat lacking when the rubber met the road.
Ya'll stay tuned! it might be late before I get back. Gotta go get a big
male Collie out of a kill shelter and get him into Rescue. His time's up
tomorrow, and I ain't gonna let him take the last walk.
Cheers!
Tuner
I'm havin' me a large time on this one...I especially liked the
shots of the bath that Tam's givin' her pistol.
Tell ya what...When I get all my runnin' and doin' done today, I'll do a thread on exactly why I don't like ducktails speed bumps and checkers under my fingers, since nobody has asked, seeking instead to flame the position. The reasons are decidedly not personal, but rather
practical in nature.
See...I have tried pistols with all that stuff on'em...for thousands of rounds, just tryin' to get it to come together. I even built one just to see what the deal was, and shot it extensively. I sold it at a loss. I found them eminently satisfying, and useful for a singular purpose, but somewhat lacking when the rubber met the road.
Ya'll stay tuned! it might be late before I get back. Gotta go get a big
male Collie out of a kill shelter and get him into Rescue. His time's up
tomorrow, and I ain't gonna let him take the last walk.
Cheers!
Tuner
DHart
Member
That's one of the most noble things a person can do, Johnny...of far more importance than jabbering about 1911's.... thank you, thank you from another animal lover.
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Goodonya Tuner...
I use Tamara's system - granted I used it at times when NOT scheduled....falling in does that...
Like Old Fuff I prefer to remove grips. But you know....them things do run with mud and muddy water if need be....point shoot the next target or two and that "blob" comes off the front sight.
Tuner - don't be attacking my Skateboard Tape. It has...It has character.
I use Tamara's system - granted I used it at times when NOT scheduled....falling in does that...
Like Old Fuff I prefer to remove grips. But you know....them things do run with mud and muddy water if need be....point shoot the next target or two and that "blob" comes off the front sight.
Tuner - don't be attacking my Skateboard Tape. It has...It has character.
saltydog452
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introduce old fluff to the OM from hell
Hello Fluff
Your comments about QC brought tears to my eyes as well as checkbook.
Theres a post or two somewhere in this forum about my Officers Model. The only correct thing about the pistol was it looked correct. I haven't figured out yet how to navigate the interstate, much less the 'electronic' interstate.
The inital thread was about 'premature unlocking' of a shortie 1911.
If you can find the thread, it might be worth reading.
salty.
Hello Fluff
Your comments about QC brought tears to my eyes as well as checkbook.
Theres a post or two somewhere in this forum about my Officers Model. The only correct thing about the pistol was it looked correct. I haven't figured out yet how to navigate the interstate, much less the 'electronic' interstate.
The inital thread was about 'premature unlocking' of a shortie 1911.
If you can find the thread, it might be worth reading.
salty.
I believe I remember it, but I can go back and be sure.
Anyway, it has been my experience that when you shorten the slide back by 1 1/2 inches or more you're asking for trouble. A lot of things come into play, the most important of which are a substantial reduction in slide mass, and a too short recoil spring tunnel. I remain completely convinced that the best short-short/big bore handgun is a revolver, not an automatic pistol. There are exceptions to the rule, but they remain few and far between. Naturally the manufacturers won't tell you this.
Anyway, it has been my experience that when you shorten the slide back by 1 1/2 inches or more you're asking for trouble. A lot of things come into play, the most important of which are a substantial reduction in slide mass, and a too short recoil spring tunnel. I remain completely convinced that the best short-short/big bore handgun is a revolver, not an automatic pistol. There are exceptions to the rule, but they remain few and far between. Naturally the manufacturers won't tell you this.
1911Tuner
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Off Topic
DHart said:
That's one of the most noble things a person can do, Johnny...of far more importance than jabbering about 1911's.... thank you, thank you from another animal lover.
AH! ANother dog lover on the board.
it's somethin' that I gotta do or cease to exist. Been a sucker for Collies
since I was a pup myself...but all breeds deserve a chance...
I currently have 4 Collies...in the house...Mama dog and two of her pups
that we couldn't part with...and one that I pulled from a kill shelter last December and fell in love with. Two black labs that were abandoned and starving, both good dogs and very gentle. One Black lab mix pup that I picked up a month ago that was a walkin' skeleton. Good little guy, but bat outta hell nuts, and completely goofy over kids...The smaller the child, the goofier and the more gentle he gets. FREE to anybody within driving distance who promises not to neglect or abuse him. He's had enough of that. PM me for details and arragements...PLEASE! He's eatin' me out of existence!
DHart said:
That's one of the most noble things a person can do, Johnny...of far more importance than jabbering about 1911's.... thank you, thank you from another animal lover.
AH! ANother dog lover on the board.
it's somethin' that I gotta do or cease to exist. Been a sucker for Collies
since I was a pup myself...but all breeds deserve a chance...
I currently have 4 Collies...in the house...Mama dog and two of her pups
that we couldn't part with...and one that I pulled from a kill shelter last December and fell in love with. Two black labs that were abandoned and starving, both good dogs and very gentle. One Black lab mix pup that I picked up a month ago that was a walkin' skeleton. Good little guy, but bat outta hell nuts, and completely goofy over kids...The smaller the child, the goofier and the more gentle he gets. FREE to anybody within driving distance who promises not to neglect or abuse him. He's had enough of that. PM me for details and arragements...PLEASE! He's eatin' me out of existence!
DHart
Member
Johnny... I totally understand your mission to save the pups... this new Golden Lab pup (4 month old, 1/2 Golden 1/2 Lab mix) definitely has my number... sweetest dog I've ever known... he's my buddy. Most dogs have more soul and spirit than some people do.
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