Springfields "new" Garands
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oneshooter
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SA stopped building, selling, and working on Garands a few years ago.
Oneshooter
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Oneshooter
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longdayjake
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I just bought an M1a loaded this fall. While looking through their site on m1a's I saw the garand listed there as well. I know that Fulton Armory makes new Garands that are just as good or better. If you want a new one there are several places that make them or atleast take old receivers and put new parts on them.
I just bought an M1a loaded this fall. While looking through their site on m1a's I saw the garand listed there as well. I know that Fulton Armory makes new Garands that are just as good or better. If you want a new one there are several places that make them or atleast take old receivers and put new parts on them.
I believe the old springfield armory that made M1s for the military back in the mid twentieth century has stopped for at least a couple decades. That said: I believe there is a different springfield armory (known for their M1As and XDs) who make new M1 garand model rifles in either 30-06 or .308. Forgive me if I am wrong.
Ash
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I always thought the commercial venture of producing modern M1's was a mistake. Springfield Armory, Inc, should have known the M1a is popular because it is forbidden fruit. Should the CMP be able to offer real deal M14's, the SA Inc M1a's would suddenly lose their desirability. Why buy a commercial M1 from SA Inc for nearly a grand when you can get a real deal, served on the beaches of Normandy M1 for half to 2/3's the price?
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Swampy
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nolyaw,
The REAL Springfield Armory was closed down by the US Army in the late 60's.
The commercial company known as Springfield Armory Inc. is still in business. They have built "new" M1 rifles off and on over the years as surplus parts have been available in quantity or not.
The latest incarnation of SA Inc.'s "new" M1 rifle consisted of a new commercial receiver, barrel, and a set of Boyd's wood assembled together with old-used Danish return M1 parts kits that were re-finished to look new. Decent quality but Waaayyy over priced. The supply of Dane parts kits ran out so they no longer offer these.
Take a Rack Grade M1 from the CMP.... send it off to a good M1 mechanic to install a new Wilson or Douglas barrel, re-finish all the metal, and put on a new set of wood and you'dd have the EXACT same rifle as SA Inc. was offering.... except that you'd pay a few hundred bucks less and still have a rifle with a genuine USGI forged receiver.
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Swampy
Garands forever
2007 NRA Missouri State 600 yard Service Rifle Champion..... with an M1
The REAL Springfield Armory was closed down by the US Army in the late 60's.
The commercial company known as Springfield Armory Inc. is still in business. They have built "new" M1 rifles off and on over the years as surplus parts have been available in quantity or not.
The latest incarnation of SA Inc.'s "new" M1 rifle consisted of a new commercial receiver, barrel, and a set of Boyd's wood assembled together with old-used Danish return M1 parts kits that were re-finished to look new. Decent quality but Waaayyy over priced. The supply of Dane parts kits ran out so they no longer offer these.
Take a Rack Grade M1 from the CMP.... send it off to a good M1 mechanic to install a new Wilson or Douglas barrel, re-finish all the metal, and put on a new set of wood and you'dd have the EXACT same rifle as SA Inc. was offering.... except that you'd pay a few hundred bucks less and still have a rifle with a genuine USGI forged receiver.
Best regards,
Swampy
Garands forever
2007 NRA Missouri State 600 yard Service Rifle Champion..... with an M1
Swampy, I have an H&R correct grade from 1954, original barrel, wood, etc. I've done my share of shooting it, but now I'd like to have a 'perfect', new out of the box looking, feeling, and shooting rifle. I thought for $1100, one of the 'new' springfields would be a safe bet. Guess not. I checked out Fulton Armory's website, and boy, those Garands and carbines sound nice!! So pricey though, but I am sure you get what you pay for. I have all sorts of modern AR's, Mini's, Ak's, even one of those goofy new GSG-5's....but nothing puts a smile on my face quite like an M1 Garand...for those of you who understand, you get it too. I think I will just order another Correct grade in an SA from the CMP. Just under a 'g' is where I wanted to be. Maybe I will just divide my shooting time between them both. Thanks for the responses.
nolyaw
I have a friend who's getting ready to sell his Springfield Inc. Garand. It still looks like new with the box. I know he wants less than $1000 for sure. PM me if you're interested. He might e-mail some pics of it if you're interesed.
I have a friend who's getting ready to sell his Springfield Inc. Garand. It still looks like new with the box. I know he wants less than $1000 for sure. PM me if you're interested. He might e-mail some pics of it if you're interesed.
TexasRifleman
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I don't own one of their Garands but their M14s are worth their asking price in my opinion. I'd expect the Garands to be top notch as well but they are still rebuilt guns, not "genuine GI" as you'd get from CMP and with CMPs prices being what they are there just doesn't seem to be much market for what you are looking for.
Take a look at Garand Guy too though, he shows some nice looking rebuilt Garands at a little less cost than Fulton.
jwxspoon
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I have one of the .308 Garands, it was as clean and sweet shooting a rifle as I have ever seen. It is part of the "10,000" that SA produced in the 90's with brand new USGI receivers.
jw
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The odds are that the CMP will ever offer milsurp M-14's is extremely low. They'd all have to be converted from selective to Semi-auto only, and who knows how much that would cost them. The other problem is that there weren't nearly as many M-14's produced as M1s.
TexasRifleman
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In fact that will never happen. The ATF has taken the view of "once a machinegun always a machinegun" so you can't just convert an M14 to semi and sell it.
It would take some heavy Congressional intervention to make that happen, and we're just not gonna get that I'm afraid.
And Bill Clinton ordered the destruction or giveaway of nearly every M14 left in the US inventory anyway.
They are simply all but gone at this point.
Now that's a horse of a different color, do you have pictures and details to share? Ash
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No, the CMP will never offer M14's. I used that only as an example. Once a machine gun and all.
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jpwilly
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If you want the look and feel of a "new" M1 you could get a CMP rifle and install a new bbl and repark it. Blastphamy I know, but you could.
1KPerDay
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why is it blasphemy? If the barrel's shot out and the gun looks like crud, make it mo' better. IMO
TexasRifleman
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Isn't that basically what Garand Guy and others are doing? Buying CMP rifles and re-doing them?
I don't know that to be true but that's what I've assumed.
I don't know that to be true but that's what I've assumed.
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If I remember correctly the Garand is made up from 56 parts.
The so called "new" SA Inc Garand has a new poorly made cast receiver, new barrel and wood.
The remaining 50 or so parts are 60 years old used and worn parts taken from Danish parts kits.
This does not make a new rifle.
Too many leave the factory that will not function because of worn out parts.
No one that knows Garands would pay their price for one.
The so called "new" SA Inc Garand has a new poorly made cast receiver, new barrel and wood.
The remaining 50 or so parts are 60 years old used and worn parts taken from Danish parts kits.
This does not make a new rifle.
Too many leave the factory that will not function because of worn out parts.
No one that knows Garands would pay their price for one.
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"I have one of the .308 Garands, it was as clean and sweet shooting a rifle as I have ever seen. It is part of the "10,000" that SA produced in the 90's with brand new USGI receivers"
SA Inc did not make Garands in the 90's with new USGI receivers.
SA Inc did not make Garands in the 90's with new USGI receivers.
I bought a "new" M1 Garand D-Day commemorative i could not be happier with it. I can hold two inch groups or better off a bench. It is not ammo selective shoots any kind of milspec ammo i have tried. I have not had one malfunction and it is a joy to shoot.
I know i am going to get some static over this but were i shoot all most all the Garands i see being shot are lucky to get a paper plate size group. I am not bashing surplus Garands i think they are cool and i have no doubt that their are a lot of surplus M1s out there that are good shooters. But in the area were i live gun shop M1s start out at 800 dollars and they look beat. I am not a M1 guy so i buy a 800 dollar rifle next i have to have it rebuilt who knows how much that will cost. Or i could have gone the CAMP way but i did not want to join a gun club or or get a C and R licence i just wanted to buy a rifle i could take out of the box and shoot. So i i bought the SA M1 and i have no regrets.
Mike
I know i am going to get some static over this but were i shoot all most all the Garands i see being shot are lucky to get a paper plate size group. I am not bashing surplus Garands i think they are cool and i have no doubt that their are a lot of surplus M1s out there that are good shooters. But in the area were i live gun shop M1s start out at 800 dollars and they look beat. I am not a M1 guy so i buy a 800 dollar rifle next i have to have it rebuilt who knows how much that will cost. Or i could have gone the CAMP way but i did not want to join a gun club or or get a C and R licence i just wanted to buy a rifle i could take out of the box and shoot. So i i bought the SA M1 and i have no regrets.
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I got one of these new garands a few years back. They are great, all the internals are GI, the barrel reciever and stock were the only new parts. Most of the internals on mine were WRA (winchester) which I may switch out when I get a Winchester Garand to add to my collection.
tpelle
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I have two CMP M1's and love 'em both. My first one is a Springfield Armory rifle built in May '44, and was re-barreled at Springfield Armory in May '46 (bet a lot of rounds went down the tube between '44 and '46 - if guns could only talk). Except for the barrel, stock, and the new type T105E1 rear sight, it appears to have all original (at least consistent with the date of build) parts - but who's to know. This condition isn't unusual, however, since after VJ-Day Springfield Armory stopped making new rifles and re-organized as a re-build and can shop - at least until the outbreak of the Korean War.
Shoots better than 3 moa with my 55 year old eyes.
I have another Harrington and Richardson rifle that I think was built in September of 1955, but spent some time in Greece. It appears to have the original barrel, but it has a Springfield Armory bolt, op rod, and trigger group. It appears that all the Greeks did was take 'em apart and put 'em together, and almost never shot 'em, because the gas cylinder and stock fit is very loose (and the Greek soldier on the other side of the table must have had a Springfield Armory M1). I peened the barrel splines, and am going to buy a new CMP stock next month - the finish on the metal is beautiful on this rifle, however. I was thinking about trying Service Rifle competition, and if I decide to have a rifle rebuilt, it'll be the HRA.
Shoots better than 3 moa with my 55 year old eyes.
I have another Harrington and Richardson rifle that I think was built in September of 1955, but spent some time in Greece. It appears to have the original barrel, but it has a Springfield Armory bolt, op rod, and trigger group. It appears that all the Greeks did was take 'em apart and put 'em together, and almost never shot 'em, because the gas cylinder and stock fit is very loose (and the Greek soldier on the other side of the table must have had a Springfield Armory M1). I peened the barrel splines, and am going to buy a new CMP stock next month - the finish on the metal is beautiful on this rifle, however. I was thinking about trying Service Rifle competition, and if I decide to have a rifle rebuilt, it'll be the HRA.
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Well, they could always demill and replace the receiver, remove the evil bits, and perhaps rebarrel it...and it'd probably cost close to what a new Springfield would anyways.
Zeede
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If I wanted a 30-06 tack driver, I'd buy a Tikka T3 or some other bolt-action rifle.
If I just wanted a semi-auto 30-06, I'd get a Benelli R1.
I didn't want either, I wanted a piece of American history. Does it shoot 1" groups? I dunno, I'm still detail stripping and cleaning it, but I doubt it will. Does it have to? Not for me? Should it? Well, take your current hunting rifle, bang it up, let a bunch of GIs shoot it who don't have to worry about scratching the crown when cleaning it, and let it sit in storage for 50+ years then see how well it shoots.
You don't buy Garands for bench rest shooting or hunting. There are more accurate guns, and 10 lbs is kind of heavy for lugging around the fields. You get one because it's got *character* and history. The "new" Garands from Springfield Armory, Inc have neither.
Cameron
If I just wanted a semi-auto 30-06, I'd get a Benelli R1.
I didn't want either, I wanted a piece of American history. Does it shoot 1" groups? I dunno, I'm still detail stripping and cleaning it, but I doubt it will. Does it have to? Not for me? Should it? Well, take your current hunting rifle, bang it up, let a bunch of GIs shoot it who don't have to worry about scratching the crown when cleaning it, and let it sit in storage for 50+ years then see how well it shoots.
You don't buy Garands for bench rest shooting or hunting. There are more accurate guns, and 10 lbs is kind of heavy for lugging around the fields. You get one because it's got *character* and history. The "new" Garands from Springfield Armory, Inc have neither.
Cameron
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