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stamped AK'S Fall apart after afew thousand rounds

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by lobo9er, Jul 11, 2009.

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  1. lobo9er

    lobo9er Member

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    i own a poly tech milled AK preban underfolder i love it! such a versitile little rifle easy to pack easy to maintain i was thinking buying a cheaper stamped AK deal but have heard their not as durable and after a few thousand rounds rivets start to raddle or fall apart any truth to that? a friend of mine told me he had a couple ak's and got rid of them and wouldn't buy a stamped one again. anyone had similar things happen or hear of anyone with same problem?
     
  2. nalioth

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    [sarcasm]You are correct.

    Stamped AKs just disintegrate after a case of ammo.

    Just ask all those insurgents over in the middle east about this.
    [/sarcasm]

    Your friend is spreading gross falsehoods.
     
  3. rcmodel

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    It wouldn't be an AK if it didn't rattle!

    rc
     
  4. lobo9er

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    i'm not poking at stamped ak's just asking you guys cuz i have never even shot another ak other than mine i really would like to buy one another ak would be nice but milled are just to much cant justify spending that kinda cash again
     
  5. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    I can't see it.

    The AK receiver is not really a stressed part.

    All it is, is a box to hold all the parts together in proper alignment.

    If it's riveted together properly to start with, it should stay that way for the life of the rifle.

    Which in the case of the AK, seems to be about forever.

    rc
     
  6. AK103K

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    I've got more than a few thousands through most of mine, and nary a wiggle.

    The Russians went to the stamped receivers very early on, and never went back. That should give you a clue.
     
  7. Gunfighter123

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    There are stamped AKs being used in Africa , South America , and the Middle East dateing from the 1950s ---- do a web search and show the results to your knowledgeable buddy.

    http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=30752
    http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329316
    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=383356

    The list could go on and on and on.

    I have also owned both milled and stamped AKs ---- both types were shot with THOUSANDS of rounds and both types still worked 100%.

    To be truthfull ---- if YOU paid $1000/$1500 MORE then what I paid for a new AK , are YOU going to say " well, guess your right -- they both are about at the same performance level" ???
     
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  8. Gun Wielding Maniac

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    Total BS.

    I've got thousands and thousands of rounds through mine.

    In A-stan and Iraq I saw hundreds of AK's that had been around since the 60's. They were so worn there wasnt a bit of paint or blue left on them and even the rifling was worn to near smoothness. But the rivets sure as hell weren't rattling.:rolleyes:
     
  9. Gun Slinger

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    Stamped AKs fall apart after a few thousand rounds?

    ha ha ha...Oh, that's rich!

    Let me guess, did this conversation occur in a gunshop, too? :D

    I own seven milled AKs and have owned one stamped AK (sold it to a friend years ago who was just begging me to let him have it) and if the opportunity arose, I wouldn't hesistate a moment to acquire another stamped AK. Prices are just way too stoopid high right now.

    I suspect that your buddy is either ignorant or just messing with you. ;)

    In short, stamped receiver AKs are quite durable and will not fall apart with the amount of ammuntion that one could reasonably purchase these days.
     
  10. benEzra

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    Consider that Russian military AK's, as well as RPK machineguns, use stamped, riveted receivers, and withstand more abuse than non-automatic civilian AK's ever will.
     
  11. Sam1911

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    You should know that the Soviets adopted the AKM (that's the official designation of the "stamped" version) to replace the original AK-47 in 1959.

    Since then, many millions of AKMs have been built by many countries, as well as the newer AK-74 (5.45x39mm) rifles and the RPK machine guns, and even a few of the "designated rifleman" rifles like the Romanian Romak FPK or Yugoslavian Zastava M76 (though not the actual SVD Dragunov) have been based on the AKM receiver model. Meaning they're all "stamped."

    Obviously, the design worked very well, and in fact, pretty much has set the standard for durability and reliability the world over.

    So, your pal is full of crap. (Or, politely put, he's just repeating silly "old gunnie's tales" and should be more careful what he allows himself to believe.)

    -Sam
     
  12. rcmodel

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    There could possibly be a grain of truth to it.
    If you consider all the AK's put together on someones kitchen table out of a stamped receiver flat.

    Some of those cobbled up rivet jobs probably do rattle & fall apart.

    rc
     
  13. AK103K

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    From that standpoint, yes.

    The guns I've had the most troubles with have been the "kit" guns, and not just AK's either. Everyone is a gunsmith these days.:rolleyes:
     
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    I highly doubt it. The Russians are known for tough guns that poorly trained conscripts can operate.
     
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    Romanian WASR-10 has yet to fail me, it's not high quality like a Saiga, but I enjoy it just fine.
     
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    Sounds like they haven't owned very many AKs. Besides if they did start rattling that would more likely be a manufacturing defect more than likely caused by improper installation than a defective rivet.
     
  17. lobo9er

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    hes a pretty honest dude he may bought a lemon that didnt last and then bought another sub par and just got sick of it sold it off any down sides to the stamped? or is stamped just that much cheaper to make. i do doubt that "insurgents" how ever have the same type of regard for there weapons i'm sure they go boom but i doubt those wore out aks from the 50's are all that great doesnt take much to hit man size target
     
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    not true at all. many of the ak's that go through training courses are of the stamped variety and i have never seen or heard of one doing as your friend states. they have way more than a few k through em.
     
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    My WASR has had severel thousand through it-- and it still chunks lead out just fine...

    and mine is a "cheap AK knockoff.."

    :cool:
     
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    Pretty shure you'll wear out before your stamped AK does or at least be broke from feeding it.
     
  21. Maverick223

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    Like rc said...I have never seen a AK that didn't rattle...it's like having an AR that doesn't "sproing" or an 870 that doesn't "ka-chuke"...it just ain't right. ;)

    I will add that even the milled AKs are POS, they will operate forever without cleaning or lubricating, but the fact remains they are just good enough to not be terrible and happen to be quick and cheap to produce (and that is all the USSR wanted). The idea of a good quality AK is a myth, but nonetheless they don't have a tendency to fall apart. :)
     
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  22. lobo9er

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    cool i really was hoping most would say that because i would really like to buy another do some durakote or similar paint stuff on it any suggestions on paint and or pictures
    and who made the best stamped ak's what should i look for at the next gunshow/shop
    wasr wont accept ak mags right?
     
  23. Maverick223

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    Not in factory condition, but can be modified to take AK mags. I would get the cheapest AK I could find as there is very little difference in quality (typically just the finish...which still isn't great IMO). So in short a WASR or Saiga is the best deal in the marketplace. :)
     
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    Those Valmets aren't too bad. If you do look you will see some AKs are nicer than others. (Vepr)
    Biggest disadvantage to most AKs is the safety and sights.IMHO When compared to other rifles.
     
  25. lobo9er

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    hmmm how much work involved in making a wasr take ak mags it may be better spend the extra money on an actually AK ,right?
     
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