"Stand your ground" as portrayed by NY Times

[ctdonath]

They make the NRA and gun owners look bad and they send the wrong message about use of force

When someone is about to kill you and your family, "look bad" and "send the wrong message" should be the last thing on your mind.

The "must retreat" laws are bad, nigh unto fantasy. Example case: in MA, a woman was convicted for not retreating when her husband, having made it very clear that he intended to kill her and their children, had herded them into a basement room and started in on what he promised to do. She shot him. The MA jury convicted her for not trying to get herself and kids out of a small window near the ceiling while he was working on killing them - a duty to retreat by all possible means, you see.

"Stand your ground" recognizes a reality of defense: if the situation justifies shooting someone, retreat is not an option.

I'm not willing to sacrifice good law in favor of satisfying people who don't understand the subject (and don't want to). Making the ignorant feel good, as a social priority, is a fast road to destruction.

 

[Cosmoline]

Ah yes. America's litter box liner speaks up.

 

[Lupinus]

I lined my cats liter box with the NYT once and they wouldn't go in there

maybe they were afriad of reading some of it and it ruining their alone time

 

[cbsbyte]

the "must retreat" laws are bad, nigh unto fantasy. Example case: in MA, a woman was convicted for not retreating when her husband, having made it very clear that he intended to kill her and their children, had herded them into a basement room and started in on what he promised to do. She shot him. The MA jury convicted her for not trying to get herself and kids out of a small window near the ceiling while he was working on killing them - a duty to retreat by all possible means, you see.

That happen over 25 years ago. That ruling was actually good for the people of the Commonwealth, since it opened alot of eyes on how bad some laws had become in the state. After protest from women orginzations and gun owner rights groups, the state legislature changed the law the next year giving the homeowner the right to use deadly force if they feared for their life. Though, we are still heavly restricted on how we can use force in public(must retreat).

 

[Hazwaste]

The duty to flee is the responsibility of the criminal, not the victim.

 

[psychophipps]

I love this stuff. It's great that all of the liberal media weinnies, and I'm a bit of a liberal myself but not a weinnie, are all demonstrating that a simple jump in logic is absolutely incomprehensible to them. They go through life seeing all sorts of similar situations every single day but this one just blows their mind. And the title of this mental process?

Simple cause and effect.

They realise that running a red light has a high chance of causing and accident. That if they bump their coffee mug off of their desk it will fall and splash everywhere. That if they jump off of the Empire State Building the poor slob who deals with this stuff will need a snow shovel to scoop up thier remains. Heck, they put their hand in a fire and it'll get burned. All easily understood by all of them and if you asked them about each in turn they would just scoff and point to how obvious the whole process is.
But then you get to the one being discussed now...

"I was being attacked so I shot my assailant"

and their frickin' heads blow a flat when it's travelling at 150 mph. Total mental breakdown and a 16-car cranial pileup.
They refuse to accept that the attacker would not have been shot if they were not, y'know...attacking someone at the time of their being shot. Like the attacker, usually previously convicted for drug or violent charges, was just randomly walking down the street when the shooter stepped from a dark alleyway and hissed menacingly, "You better attack me or I'll shoot you!" before the big scuffle over the attacker trying not to be forced to attack the shooter before being forced at gunpoint to do so with the end result of being shot and killed despite their protests. The ruthlessness of these CCW holders is astounding! Oh, the poor lot of the violent criminal being forced to attack random people with CCWs at gunpoint!

Makes me want to puke...
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

 

[Carl N. Brown]

sarcasm/ To get a job at the New York Times you must swear
an oath of allegiance to the 1911 Sullivan Act (the
near-prohibitory NY "discretionary" gun permit law) and
daily the NYT staff gather before the telescreen in the
common area for an Orwellian Two Minute Hate directed at
the current NRA president. /sarcasm