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Protecting a Gun Law, or a Family
By CLYDE HABERMAN


N all likelihood, most New Yorkers would find it hard not to sympathize with Ronald Dixon. No, that's too soft. In all likelihood, most New Yorkers would find it close to impossible not to sympathize with Mr. Dixon, or question his right to do what he did.

Here's what happened one December morning in his two-story house in Canarsie, Brooklyn. His account is uncontested by law enforcement officials.

Mr. Dixon was upstairs, in bed, when he heard a noise in the hallway. Half asleep, he opened his eyes and saw a man at the top of the stairs heading toward the bedroom of Mr. Dixon's 2-year-old son, Kyle.

That was enough for the father. He grabbed a 9-millimeter pistol that he kept in a closet, walked toward the man and asked what he was doing there. This man, Mr. Dixon said, ran at him, screaming. That's when he pulled the trigger. He shot the intruder twice, wounding him seriously but not mortally.

Other points are worth noting.

Mr. Dixon, 27, is your basic straight arrow, a Navy veteran who works two jobs as a computer specialist to provide for his girlfriend and their two small children. The man accused of being the intruder, Ivan Thompson, 40, is a career lowlife with a blocklong record of burglaries and other crimes. If convicted this time, he could be hammering out license plates for years to come.

Case closed, you might think. But there is one more critical detail:

Mr. Dixon's gun was illegal. He had no New York license for it. He also lives in a borough whose district attorney, Charles J. Hynes, considers the prosecution of illegal-gun charges a supreme virtue.

Mr. Hynes wants Mr. Dixon to do jail time — not much, but at least some. If convicted of the misdemeanor charge against him, Mr. Dixon could get as much as a year. Mr. Hynes is offering a plea bargain that would involve four weekends, tops, on Rikers Island.

"Nobody," the district attorney said, "is going to get a bye" on a gun charge. "Everybody is going to do some time.

"There have to be some consequences. The Dixon case is a perfect example of what we're trying to do. We're sympathetic. No question, he had the right to shoot the guy in his house. But he had no right to have an illegal weapon."

There are disputes over this pistol. Mr. Dixon says he bought it lawfully in Florida and was in the process of registering it in New York. But Mr. Hynes says there is no record of any attempt to get a permit here. In fact, he says, an investigation in Florida has cast shadows over exactly how Mr. Dixon got the gun.

But the real issue, unchallenged by Mr. Dixon and his lawyer, Andrew Friedman, is that New York's gun laws were broken. There will be no plea bargain, however, Mr. Friedman said. This week, he asked a Criminal Court judge in Brooklyn to toss out the charges. A decision was put off until next month.

Pleading guilty, Mr. Dixon says, would leave him, unfairly, with a criminal record that could damage his career. His lawyer adds that encouragement has come from many quarters, including judges in off-the-record remarks. The district attorney's office acknowledges having received hundreds of e-mail messages condemning it for pursuing a man who had defended his home and family.


AFTER an article about the case appeared in The Daily News a few weeks ago, Mr. Dixon became a darling of right-wing talk show hosts and Second Amendment fire breathers. Mr. Friedman said his client was not entirely comfortable in such company, but would take the support.

"You have to allow for exceptions," the lawyer said. "I don't think the D.A. will be sending a message that it's O.K. for everyone to carry a gun if he were to step back and make an exception in this unique case. Why is the D.A. not exercising his discretion, like he does in other situations, not to prosecute? And why is he prosecuting so aggressively?"

The reason is simple, Mr. Hynes replied. Aggressive enforcement of the gun laws has helped bring New York's crime rate down. In his borough, one result is that illegal-gun charges have been cut in half over the last decade, to 1,640 in 2002 from 3,362 in 1992. Still, plenty of guns are left in Brooklyn, which had nearly 500 shootings last year.

Turning a blind eye, even to a figure as sympathetic as Mr. Dixon, would indeed send a message, Mr. Hynes said. If this man is given a pass, what then? Does everyone get to own an illegal gun because, after all, you never know who may turn up someday at the top of the stairs?

See my response to the above.
 
My response to the above, take ypur pick.

Editor:

The following is excerpted from the above mentioned article.

Mr. Hynes wants Mr. Dixon to do jail time — not much, but at least some. If convicted of the misdemeanor charge against him, Mr. Dixon could get as much as a year. Mr. Hynes is offering a plea bargain that would involve four weekends, tops, on Rikers Island.

"Nobody," the district attorney said, "is going to get a bye" on a gun charge. "Everybody is going to do some time.

"There have to be some consequences. The Dixon case is a perfect example of what we're trying to do. We're sympathetic. No question, he had the right to shoot the guy in his house. But he had no right to have an illegal weapon."



Re this, a couple of things come to the mind of this FORMER New Yorker. Is DA Hynes, if he actually takes this case to trial, willing to bet on what a trial jury, even in New York City might do re rendering it's verdict in a case that could be described as Questionable law, opposes defense of ones home.



The accused is charged with possession of an illegal firearm, a handgun, for which he lacked the required permit. Given the state of the relevant law, The Sullivan Law, especially respecting it's "special applications for NYC", what chance did the accused have of obtaining the required permit? The number four comes to mind, those four being FAT, SLIM, LITTLE AND NO.

Addendum:
It seems as if "the duly constituted authority" in New York city generally acts to deny to the individual citizen, the tools with which they might defend themselves, this via their "gun laws". Fair enough perhaps, for them to so act, however in doing so, they have in effect, undertaken the absolute and sole responsibility for defense of the law abiding. They deny this, but there it stands, in all it's "glory".

So, what are we then left with? As I see it, is the following. Authority wishes to HAVE IT'S CAKE, DESPITE THEIR HAVING EATEN SAME. Well Virginia, their ain't, at least these days, any such thing as The Free Lunch, except for the political types maybe, and even then, there is one hell of a problem that remains, with significant questions needing answers. It does not appear as if "government" as same is constituted in many places, New York City included, is likely to be the source of answers sought.
 
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Let's see.

A career scumbag gets so little punishment that he is out for the umpteenth time, free to commit more crimes, until an innocent citizen shuts down that loophole for a good long while.

The response of the DA, however, is to punish the innocent citizen for an on-paper transgression, if but only a little, just to show the authority of the Law.

The same Law, mind you, that couldn't keep the perp in jail. The same Law that allegedly has reduced violent crime, except for the instance at hand, where Ivan Thompson threatened the victim's son.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
 
Does everyone get to own an illegal gun because, after all, you never know who may turn up someday at the top of the stairs?

Perhaps he could explain why this is a bad thing. Especially when getting a legal gun is next to impossible. And would someone please ask Mr. Hynes if he not only has a gun in his home, but does he also have a concealed carry license?
 
Someone should remind the DA that this is how England started down the slippery slope toward a disarmed citizenry and an EVER INCREASING gun crime rate.
 
HK

Charlie Hynes had a beautiful home in Breezy Point, a gated community with private security on the western tip of the Rockaway Peninsula in Queens. We used to sit on the house along with security because he was afraid Al Sharpton was going to picket. I don`t know if he still lives there but I can assure you he`s not in a tenement in Bed Stuy.:rolleyes:
 
an investigation in Florida has cast shadows over exactly how Mr. Dixon got the gun

Well, duh ... he probably just walked into a store and bought it, or else he bought it from some private party - like you can do in most states except for commie places like NY, NJ, and CA, etc.


The reason is simple, Mr. Hynes replied. Aggressive enforcement of the gun laws has helped bring New York's crime rate down. In his borough, one result is that illegal-gun charges have been cut in half over the last decade, to 1,640 in 2002 from 3,362 in 1992.

Well, he could cut down "illegal gun charges" even more if he would just drop this one!

How about a civil rights violation charge against Hynes ?????
 
I can't imagine why it is so hard to figure out if this guys gun was a legal purchase from Florida. All they would have to do is run the serial number, and if it didn't come up stolen, then what's the problem. This DA needs a wake up call...like someone needs to break into his home and show him what it's like.
 
Let's see...Dixon has a gun that is not yet registered, but he needs to use it RIGHT NOW or his son could be in mortal danger. Yeah, I guess he should have gone into the fight empty-handed against a possibly heavily armed foe. Gotta abide by the law, no matter what, right?
 
Every single State needs a law like:

[blockquote]Any evidence that a person has committed, is committing, or will commit a crime other than murder, rape, kidnapping, etc., obtained as a direct result of the person acting to prevent a felony and when such evidence does not implicate the agressor or felon said person was trying to stop, shall be inadmissible in a court of law.[/blockquote]
 
Maybe a Jury needs to Nullify that particular Law if the city fathers won't/can't. Precedence can be a powerful tool.

Or perhaps if the DA was a good man and wanted to, he could mispell a word or two and have a judge throw it out on a technicality; but it'd still leave an assinine law in place.

What's the history behind that particular piece (Sullivan Law) of NYC crystallized prejudice anyway?

Adios
 
a legal purchase from Florida. All they would have to do is run the serial number, and if it didn't come up stolen, then what's the problem.

It's not really that simple. To legally purchase the gun in Florida, he would have to been a resident of Florida. The article doesn't say if he was or wasn't. If he had bought the gun from an individual in Florida, there would be no record of him getting the gun.
 
What do you want to bet that the DA has a nice little pistol that HE carries, as a LEO, to protect himself against disgruntled peasants?
 
Baba Louie asked:

What's the history behind that particular piece (Sullivan Law) of NYC crystallized prejudice anyway?

As memory serves, the following might be informative. Tim Sullivan was a state assemblyman from NYC, who proposed the legislation. It is STATE LAW, though "special applications for NYC and surroundings", not in the original statute, have "developed" or been administratively introduced over a period of years. The history of Sullivan Laws enforcement, especially in NYC has been, and remains rife with corruption, and graft, where if one is "connected" permits fall like rain, from the sky. Lacking the proper "connections", pretty much a case of "forgedaboudit", unless one is willing to spend MONEY. Of course, for anyone having the necessary money, they would probably have the necessary "connections".

Around the time of passage, election violence was not unknown at NYC polling places, at least re some locations. Democratic poll watchers would be armed, permits issued to them, but not to Republican poll watchers. There was likely also a racial/national origin factor at play, as in the early 1900's, there were significant numbers of immigrants from Eastern Europe and Italy entering the U.S. through NYC, many of them settling there. Earlier immigrants, largely from Northern Europe, who were relatively well established, looked upon these newcomers with distrust and suspicion. That too was a factor, elitism if you will, just like today.

If memory serves, and I'd have to check on this before swearing to it, during FDR's time as Governor of New York, the legislature had enacted repeal of Sullivan. Governor Roosevelt vetoed repeal, and the legislature either didn't or couldn't over ride. While red wines improve with the passage of time, legislation usually doesn't, and respecting The Sullivan Law, it most certainly hasn't.

Hope the foregoing clarifies a point of two for you.
 
I keep saying this...

I would love to see Ron Dixon be convicted in NY and then have his case appealed to a higher court. This is a golden opportunity for the Pro-Gun folks to get on board and make some real progress for "The Cause".

NRA are you listening? Quit sending me junk mail and get firmly behind Ron Dixon!

DA Hynes is caught between the proverbial rock and hard place on this one. If he presses for a trial he has a very good chance of loosing the case and opening up a real bag of snakes for the anti-gun cronies in NY. If he wins it moves to a higher court where he also stands a chance of loosing. I think that he's smart in offering up an out of court deal. I'll bet he'd just like this one to go away quietly.

Most NY citizens have no idea what NY gun laws are like. This case (no matter what the outcome) is helping to educate them. I know a lot of folks who can't believe that Ron Dixon is being prosecuted at all. I'm thinking that public opinion will be swayed in our favor no matter how this plays out.
 
Glad to see so many fans of jury nullification. The fully informed jury is the last roadblock to tyranny.

The subject matter is more related to self-ownership than self-defense, but here is another article on a case that was crying out for jury action to corrrect an immoral prosecution. It was not to be.

If you're sitting on a jury, and a judge starts to tell you, look, here's how it is: the prosecutor will tell you the evidence, then I will tell you the law, and how you must apply the law to this case, remember...he's full of it.

Excerpt from the article:

"If the jury feels the law is unjust," according to the Fourth Circuit in the 1969 case U.S. v. Moylan, "we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. … If the jury feels that the law under which the defendant is accused is unjust … the jury has the power to acquit …" (emphasis added).

Some buck at the notion of jury nullification. They see it as going against the rule of law – a dozen anarchists passing judgment on a whim. Endowed with such power and the guilty will walk free because a chili onion supreme didn't sit well in the stomach of the jury foreman.

Perhaps – but the founders didn't see it that way.

"I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution," said Thomas Jefferson in a 1789 letter to Thomas Paine. His comments presuppose laws which go above and beyond the national charter (such as drug prohibition today) and the jury's vital role in seeing that no citizens are harmed by such tyrannical legislation.

John Adams, the second American president, sang from the same hymnal. "It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty," he said in 1771, "to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court."

Likewise, in an 1804 libel case, Alexander Hamilton argued that "the jury have an undoubted right to give a general verdict, which decides both law and fact."

"This distribution of power, by which the court and jury mutually assist, and mutually check each other," Hamilton continued, "seems to be the safest, and consequently the wisest arrangement, in respect to the trial of crimes. ... To judge accurately of motives and intentions, does not require a master's skill in the science of law. It depends more on a knowledge of the passions, and of the springs of human action, and may be the lot of ordinary experience and sagacity."

In other words, the people are deemed sensible enough to decide when one of their fellows is getting the shaft from an unjust law.
 
"There have to be some consequences. The Dixon case is a perfect example of what we're trying to do. We're sympathetic. No question, he had the right to shoot the guy in his house. But he had no right to have an illegal weapon."
(emphasis mine)

I agree with Mr. Hynes. This is a perfect example of what he's trying to do. This is NOT an exception. It is NOT a "unique case." This is the policy of the state of New York and residents forget it at their peril. This is the standard.
 
My understanding of the orgin of the Sullivan Law was an attempt to control the gangsters of that era, which were mostly Italian, Jewish and Irish.

For example, the FBI agent who infiltrated the Mafia (Donnie Brasco) was stopped twice by NYC detectives and patted down for a gun during the six year period he spent with the Mafia and became know to the NYPD as a possible wiseguy. Brasco said that most wiseguys did not normally carry a firearm for that reason.
 
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