Standardized Equipment & Training

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Standardized Equipment & Training

Over the many years, I have been involved in close combat concerns my methodologies have evolved as would be expected I suppose.

My weapons and training procedures were selected more on the first or secondhand advice of others instead of my own realistic needs, common sense, and research. With age, comes wisdom or so the saying goes as I am still waiting for the latter. Nonetheless, I have taken great steps to standardize with my family, as a whole, being the governing factor.

The guidelines for this are as follows:

1) Simplicity and safety of use.
2) Ease of basic training.
3) Minimal maintenance of both techniques and weapons.
4) Common weapons and calibers.
5) Emphasis on observation and avoidance above engagement.​

Please don’t misunderstand me here, we’re not running a family boot camp. We all have our own lives, families, jobs, and other interests to deal with. However, in discussion, or when we get together, we tend to cover some or all of our so-called program. Over time, the results begin to become apparent.

Our goal is simple as well. It is to maintain the health, safety, and security of our family and ourselves, this being regardless of current location or conditions.

Just some thoughts to ponder and perhaps they will save some of you a little time and money in the future, oh lest I forget, and improve the overall security of your own family as well.
 
I wish to avoid close combat if at all possible.

I also wish to avoid posting in foreign languages.
 
kilogulf59,

He's gone from here, with that username anyway. I don't like spammers in English, and even less in Chinese.

If you see the same sort of thing around here at THR again, please report it and staff will remove it- and the offender.

Thanks,

lpl
 
getting back on topic ...

there was a time when i went haywire and bought everything under the sun. at the time i considered myself more of a recreational shooter.

my mindset has changed considerably in that regard. i shoot far less for recreation now. don't get me wrong, i enjoy shooting, but every time i go to the range, it is with the intent of placing lead on target as if my life depended on it. with each shot.

with this mindset came a change in the way i viewed my collection.

with a worst-case SHTF type scenario on the brain, i began to view my motley collection as somehwat of a liability.

where am i going to get spare parts if none are available for all these different blasters? what about all these different calibers?

so i standardized a good chunk of my collection. first the pistol collection. i'll have to say it's fairly 9mm Glock heavy. on the advice of some very knowledgeable folks, i got rid of all my .40 S&W and .45 ACP glocks.

black rifles. the stash is now very 5.56 mm (not .223!) milspec AR-centric with a few 7.62 mm NATO and combloc weapons thrown in.

i suppose my thinking (which may be totally wrong) is that 5.56 mm and 9mm and 7.62 ammo will be somewhat easier to scrounge when Things Get Unpleasant. so will glock and AR parts, given their (relative) ubiquity. and i can always cannibalize from my existing duplicative stash if need be.

And AR's and Glocks are fairly easy to completely strip down.

training goes hand in hand with hardware. so i've taken (professional quality) training that is tailored to real-world exigencies.

such training will also greatly influence your equipment selection.
 
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30 cal,

I wonder how many of us feel somewhat the same way I know I do.

Then again, I do not see anything wrong with having ones collection being separate from their protective or survival battery. However, the money issue is the only reason I think, “if I could do it all over again”.

Nonetheless, I think your approach is exceedingly sound, stock good, relatively simple, like, weapons in standard calibers. That was exactly what I was referring to in the thread starter, the obvious common sense approach.
 
I was really confused when I first saw this thread. What in the world is this guy talking about?

Now I get it. Logistics. Simplyfying the logistics of procuring ammo and spare parts.
 
I'm very much with Kilogulf59 on this one. Simple, repeatable, easily maintained techniques & consistent weapons platforms will, in my mind, make carrying the day that much easier. I especially dislike overly complex defensive manuvers that require you to accurately assess what your attacker is doing & then engage your counter before he has the chance to bury his tire iron in your skull. As the fight progresses you may have the opportunity to use some fancy lock or super ninja move combo (doubtful, but I guess you never know) but to get things started I much prefer the default & FUT techniques SouthNarc teaches.

All that said, I'd much rather never have to worry about shooting someone in the face or cutting them off my gun, or trying to stop someone from Singer-ing me with a steak knife so Avoidance, Deterrence & De-escalation are, in my opinion, the key to a long & healthy life. Oh, and a strong dose of Cross Fit would help too.
 
Byron,

Heck, I confuse myself at times, specially before the first cup of Joe in the Ante Meridiem hours. Nevertheless I thought the title was explanatory…”Standardized Equipment & Training”. Do not forget the training (in all areas) as all members should know the basics. This way, when in dire straights, you will know the capabilities of each family member.

YM,

You got it sir. One thing though, you stated ”I much prefer the default & FUT techniques SouthNarc teaches.” would you have any information on said methodology?
 
This is as I understand it & keep in mind I am not an expert. Gomez can probably explain it better & put up some good pics.

The Default cover he teaches involves bracing your support side bicep on your jaw/cheekbone with hand around the back of the head so your elbow is pointing forward. The gun side arm is wrapped in a similar, but horizontal position to protect the support side of your head.

I can't really give specific how-to's but some of the principles of SouthNarc's cirriculum include controling the attacker's arm that's on the same side as the weapon you're trying to access, the concept of creating space & then filling it with something useful to you (this could be raising your attacker's arm just enough that you can get your arm & head under, followed by your body to get to his back & control him) & the very simple small fixed blade knife in-fight weapon access & useage that does away with a lot of the fancy anatomical cutting & other techniques that could be hard to use when you're beat up & bloody in the dark with someone who outweighs you by 100lbs & is 20 yrs younger for the older folks (I really hope I don't run into any 290lb 11year olds).

He owns & has a lot of info over on www.totalprotectioninteractive.com you have to register to look, but the PSP section has a lot of very good photos to illustrate the techniques. You might also try www.shivworks.com as that's his business website.
 
Standard calibre

so i standardized a good chunk of my collection. first the pistol collection. I'll have to say it's fairly 9mm Glock heavy. on the advice of some very knowledgeable folks, i got rid of all my .40 S&W and .45 ACP Glocks.
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Good thinking! Reference the 9mm, best calibre in the World. Not .45? No, you can not get .45 in a lot of places, very few places that 9mm is not available, no matter what you hear, the ingredients for a win with a pistol, any calibre.. SHOOT-SHOOT-SHOOT!

Not to much to consider in spare parts for most weapons of Mil-Spec types, Glock 9mm Pistols, they shot 10,000 rounds with no parts failure, ARs same, my own favorite, I own one, the Steyr AUG Bull Pup.

You can disembark a vehicle with the 28" over all length AUG in firing position, 31 rounds up, same safety catch position as a Remington 870.
And you shoot both eyes open, same as your pistol.
It loves Mil-Spec ammo; White Box not so much.

Do not worry about hollow points in 5.56, 3,000 FPS plus? No worries close up, which normally is where you are going to be, if you have a rifle, that is your primary weapon! and you can shoot the AUG with one hand in a pinch.
 
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Im on the same approch here. We have several couples (all young, no kids yet) that get togethere. We have standaridzed on 9mm glocks and ARs. Everyone also has there normal assortment of others (I have a few 7.62x39s for backup and maby arming others if needed.) We all have a BOB with pretty much the same stuff in it. The guys are going to set off on a 1000 acre ranch later in the year and live off the BOBs for 4 days to see haw we did. (Cant get the ladies to join in on that one :( )
 
i suppose my thinking (which may be totally wrong) is that 5.56 mm and 9mm and 7.62 ammo will be somewhat easier to scrounge when Things Get Unpleasant.
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I see this a lot. So much so that one can't help but wonder that if everyone has the same idea.... well you get the idea. Also don't overlook the fact that in recent ammo shortages even a small police department can quickly wipe out the sotck of your average sporting good store of .223 or 9mm.
 
I setteled on 7.62x39, 9mm, 7.62nat. for semi autos. My bolt guns are in 303, x54r & 8mm. I had to go the cheapest route: AK's, SKS's, CETME, Marlin 9Camp Gun & Glock 19 for my "really need to keep heads down" stuff. Bolt guns are for, well... they were real cheap and are better than nuthin.
I figure a lot of those calibers will be seen the most. The guns themselves are easy to maintain, reliable & for the most part user friendly.
 
Not to start an argument but how much ammo do you guys keep on hand?
I really can't see keeping more than 300rds/pistol if that(less if bugging out) and maybe 1000/rifle I just can't see the need to scrounge for ammo. That should keep you for years in a SHTF
Hell, if you're fighting off that many people just take theirs

Please correct me if I'm missing something
 
I am in the process of simplifying my gun collection for similar but differing reasons. I have my SHTF weapons, ammo, supplies, etc- but I also compete in several different shooting sports. For the most part I realized that it is too hard and too expensive to keep beaucoup weapons systems and calibers going. Outfitting one handgun includes: ammo, loading dies, reloading supplies, holster, replacement parts, mags and mag holders. Multiply that by the 20-something handguns that I own and it gets down right silly. Rifles are not much better: ammo, dies, reloading supplies, mags and optics.

I am slowly but surely selling off the "step children" and heading towards consistency. S&W revolvers, GLOCKs and 1911's. My favorite holster can suffice for any of 6 GLOCKS that I own. My 1911's can share mags, holsters, etc.

Not to start an argument but how much ammo do you guys keep on hand?
I really can't see keeping more than 300rds/pistol if that(less if bugging out) and maybe 1000/rifle I just can't see the need to scrounge for ammo.
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I go through 500 rounds a week in practice, plus another 200-300 in competition- so I keep a lot more than that.
 
I've pretty much standarized to 38/357 revolvers, 12/20 gauge shotgun, 30-06 rifle. I pick up all sorts of extra brass and wind up trading it for brass that I can use.
 
I go through 500 rounds a week in practice, plus another 200-300 in competition- so I keep a lot more than that.
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Would you shoot 500rds a week in a survival situation? I wasn't saying that having lots of ammo on hand is bad i buy bulk too. I thought the OP was saying standerdization of equipment for an emergency(since scrounging for ammo would be illegal otherwise) I agree with this My point was if you are preparing emergency supplies you can just buy a couple of boxes of ammo now and be good. You would still get more ammo it just wouldn't be part of your supplies(kinda like the food in the fridge now)
 
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