State shutting down local shooting range

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State Department of Natural Resources officials on Tuesday confirmed plans to shut down the public shooting range at Sleepy Creek Wildlife Management Area, a 26-year-old facility that’s said to have a design flaw. Getting in some last-minute practice with a Bushmaster AR15, which is a semi-automatic .223-caliber rifle, are Phil McIntosh, left, Matt Keplinger and Robert McDonald. (Journal photo by Jenni Vincent)

MARTINSBURG -Matt Keplinger couldn't believe it when he heard that the Sleepy Creek Wildlife Management Area's public shooting range was set to close.

Hunting is a family tradition for Keplinger, who got the news when he and his young daughter were spending some "quality, together time" at the rural shooting range last Friday.

After spending some time tracking down state Department of Natural Resources officials, Keplinger was convinced that the word he'd received from a friend was true and the range's closing was imminent.

State confirmation that the range has a "design flaw" hasn't made Keplinger feel any better because he now fears the range won't return once it is closed.

Sleepy Creek's wildlife manager Larry Heinz said Tuesday that the shooting range will close soon, and remain closed "until further notice," primarily because its design flaw has resulted in a safety issue.

"There is a building, a cabin really, in direct line of the range that is full of holes - it even has bullet holes in the roof, which the landowner reported and we were able to verify when we went and looked at it," Heinz said.

"Actually, the last time there were even two bullets laying on the bed," he said, recalling a visit to the cabin just a few weeks ago.

Although the range is 26 years old, this situation isn't new. There were "reports all along that there were bullets falling in that area," Heinz said.

Remedial efforts at the range, such as adding more bunkers, haven't solved the problem, he said.

"We did that hoping people would start to place their targets properly, directly in front of and at the base of the bunker, but that's had limited success. People continue to put their targets willy-nilly, some of them would put their targets on top of the bunker," Heinz said.

"At the same time, we started having a lot of semi-automatic use and shooting," he said.

Shooting rapidly with that type of gun can cause the shooter to "tilt back" and cause him to shoot higher, Heinz said.

"But this closing is not anything anti-gun, it is a matter of safety," he said.

Engineering will be necessary to determine if a solution is possible at the current site or if a new spot will have to be found for the range, Heinz said.

An exact closing date hasn't been determined. However, he said it will be soon.

Part of his morning was devoted to preparing the site where a new gate will be placed to stop people from entering the shooting range when it closes.

Anyone found shooting there after it closes can be given a ticket, he said.

Closing the range will be an inconvenience for many, said Heinz, who estimated that thousands use it on an annual basis.

"As a matter of fact, several hundred use it on an average weekend," he said.

Keplinger, who listened as Heinz was explaining the situation, said he would prefer for the present range to be reopened once any problems are solved.

"I want that with all of my being," Keplinger said with a sigh.

Fellow gun enthusiast Robert McDonald, who was also at the range Tuesday and spoke with Heinz, agreed that the situation is disappointing.

The planned closing means that McDonald, who goes there from Hagerstown, will have to find another shooting range to use. That won't be easy, he said.

"This really sucks for me, and it is disappointing, mostly because this is probably due to the actions of a few people who have ruined things for the rest of us. It's a shame," McDonald said.

"I wish there was a way to work things out, but once it is shut down, I really don't see that happening - especially with the way the economy is now," he said. "The state isn't going to go to a whole lot more expense here - they are probably just going to shut it down and keep it shut down."

Charles Town resident Phil McIntosh, who has been using the range for two years, said he wants it to remain open because "there are a lot of good sportsmen and recreational shooters who come here to relax."

He also said he understood that there had been some people using AK-47s at the range to shoot clay pigeons.

That's a problem because those targets should be "shot with a shotgun and not with a rifle, which can carry a lot further," McIntosh said.

"There's only a problem with a few, however. Probably 98 percent of the people that have been out here while I am shooting are good people," he said. "They all watch each other and they do what they are supposed to do. So it may be that a few people have caused a problem for the majority."

Before any permanent decisions are made, McIntosh said he would like to see a possible group of concerned shooters meet with DNR officials to discuss the range's future.

It might also be a possibility to "deputize citizens" to help oversee the facility to make sure its rules are being observed, McIntosh said.

"Shutting this down will be a very sad thing. It will be devastating for many people," he said.

- Staff writer Jenni Vincent can be reached at (304) 263-3381, ext. 138, or [email protected]
 
Sounds like an official visit from the area's NRA Range Technical Team Advisor is required. Charges are only $100 per day plus expenses.

They can review the site, offer solutions and advice.

Call the Range Department at NRA 703-267-1278
 
He also said he understood that there had been some people using AK-47s at the range to shoot clay pigeons.

That's a problem because those targets should be "shot with a shotgun and not with a rifle, which can carry a lot further," McIntosh said.

This guy is an IDIOT. I guarentee that the clays were placed on the berm and not shot out of the air like in Trap or Sheet.

Also

Who was there first the range or the cabin?
 
Based on the article it sounds like another case of shooters shooting themselves in the foot, again.
 
I don't think this would be a problem if people would stick to following the range rules and putting appropriate targets in front of the berms like they are supposed to do.
 
The bad news is if they close it for the reason stated without a plan and money to fix they will never reopen again calling it a liabilty to the state they cannot risk taking.
 
"We did that hoping people would start to place their targets properly, directly in front of and at the base of the bunker, but that's had limited success. People continue to put their targets willy-nilly, some of them would put their targets on top of the bunker," Heinz said.

It isn't a design problem, it's a people issue, and stupid ones at that. Perhaps some fees to support an on-site range officer would make things safer.

You can't solve dumb with a new design. :mad:
 
Who was there first the range or the cabin?

Utterly irrelevant. This is not a noise complaint. Bullets are putting holes in someone else's property. Imagine your neighbor has lived in his house longer than you've lived in your house, and he gets it in his head to shoot in your direction and shoots out your windows and kills your kids.

It's a clear safety issue. It's also a clear property rights issue. Your property rights end at your property line. When the bullets enter someone else's property, they are basically trespassing. The shooter bears all responsibility for what bullets do downrange.
 
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Too bad, but the only problem I see is that they're not closing it immediately. I mean, jeez, the shooters are poking holes in a nearby cabin and all they're saying is that it will be closed "soon"?

I'm no expert in range design, but it seems to me like you need to engineer them to account for ordinary human stupidity.
 
This guy is an IDIOT. I guarentee that the clays were placed on the berm and not shot out of the air like in Trap or Sheet.
How the heck can you guarantee that? You act like there's never been an IDIOT who has picked up a weapon before. If you'd just take a couple minutes and peruse the threads on this site, you'll find lots of stories about crazy things people have seen at shooting ranges.

Who was there first the range or the cabin?
Why should that matter? The property owner next door has a right to build on his property and not have to worry about bullets entering onto his property. Are you implying that anytime a person builds a shooting range, everyone in the surrounding two-mile radius is foreclosed from building anything on their property?
 
This guy is an IDIOT. I guarentee that the clays were placed on the berm and not shot out of the air like in Trap or Sheet.

Dont think for a minute that some of the dizzy azzhats that frequent public ranges would not try to shoot clays in the air with an AR15 or some such. That would be quite mild compared to some of the stupid stunts I have seen, and everyone who has ever been to a public range has seen. Terrifying things happen there all the time when there is no range officer or other control.
 
Erm, range officer + signs + enforcement = safer shooters. I don't understand shooting ranges with no active management or rules.
 
Check the thread about luckiest shots, and see how many are shooting objects thrown in the air with rifles. Yes, I have seen idiots do that, too.
Darn shame, need a way to stop people from putting targets where they don't belong, and a paid range officer would help.
 
This guy is an IDIOT. I guarentee that the clays were placed on the berm and not shot out of the air like in Trap or Sheet.

How would you know?

I've tried shooting thrown clays with a rifle. Granted, it was from a boat deck in the middle of the Atlantic, but the same could safely be done on several of the multiple thousand acre ranches that I've visited.

Just because something doesn't seem safe at the place where you regularly shoot, doesn't mean it can't be done in a safe manner.
 
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