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my only question here is why, if you are such a thorough deputy, did you allow said prisoner to come to the hospital with all of these dangerous personal items? In fact, what personal items did he have? If,as you said, he was in a jump suit chained to the bed.. seems like a jump suit and shoes would be all your fellow deputies would have transported him in. you know... following the orders you were given to do so. SO... assuming he was there for a good reason, I will take it his jump suit and shoes were replaced with a hospital gown and a pair of textured socks. That leaves the jump suit and shoes and nothing else as his person items. Unless of course you didnt do your job in searching him prior to bringing him to the hospital. Perhaps the nurses error in judgement was assuming you had already done your job.

Nobody here is disputing that security is lax in hospitals....however, arming the patients is a dangerous solution.

Also... Much more than a critical O2 saturation can cause an otherwise gentle and responsible person to lose all sense of who and where they are. the only thing they know is they are scared, hurting, or both and they react in panic accordingly. Furthermore do you know how fast a patient's status can change in the hospital? One can go from healthy to septic in hours, from breathing fine to on a ventilator in minutes, and from walking and talking to dead in seconds. During any of these transitions the patient gets both extremely confused and scared and always unpredictable.
 
as far as property rights are concerned, how many places do you know of allow the carry of firearms? i don't exactly see signs in front of malls inviting people who carry to come shop at Bed, Bath and Beyond. concealed is concealed.

You are a selfish child. Why do you believe your rights trump everyone else's?

Oh wait, I know. You've got that "I'm a minority, screw THE MAN!" mentality.
 
Security does suck at hospitals, and most policies are there for the politicians, not workers or patients.

Anyway, got me thinking. How dangerous would it be to discharge a firearm in an environment where there is a bunch of concentrated oxygen? Is that a concern or is it needless worrying?
 
there is no way you would get to the floor with multiple knives and a 1911... sorry... notagonnahappen....

Au contraire, mon frère. Since I reside in Nazi Jerky, I'll let it go at that.
 
My question above all is WHY did you go to the hospital in the first place??

you say you are not going to fill your prescriptions because you are broke!!

So I can assume you aren't going to pay for the hospital stay either and leave it to US other tax payers to pick up the bill.

oh and my wife is a nurse too and she sees people like you every day, they come to the hospital wanting care and when the doctor gives them their advise on what can be done to take better care of themselves their responses are....oh I'm not changing the way I live or I can't afford that .......then why in the hell come there to start with??

you say you have all these weapons on so you can PROTECT yourself while you are in the hospital... but then you are slowly killing yourself by not doing what the doctor ask of you ......what the f**k ...man I just don't understand it
 
I guess I should be happy that two armed guards(off duty BPD) took my folder (with an inch and 3 quarter blade) from me at the metal detector when I tried to visit my grand daughter at Children's Hospital in Birmingham.
 
My question above all is WHY did you go to the hospital in the first place??

you say you are not going to fill your prescriptions because you are broke!!

So I can assume you aren't going to pay for the hospital stay either and leave it to US other tax payers to pick up the bill.

oh and my wife is a nurse too and she sees people like you every day, they come to the hospital wanting care and when the doctor gives them their advise on what can be done to take better care of themselves their responses are....oh I'm not changing the way I live or I can't afford that .......then why in the hell come there to start with??

I'm pretty sure he's insured, just doesn't have medicine coverage.
 
then if his hospital stay will be covered then there should be no problem getting the prescriptions filled

and you are right he is either insured by employment or by the state or he private insurance !!
 
Anyway, got me thinking. How dangerous would it be to discharge a firearm in an environment where there is a bunch of concentrated oxygen? Is that a concern or is it needless worrying?

Nothing to worry about! pure oxygen doesn't burn by itself, even with an ignition source, it just makes other things burn more rapidly. Now if there was a bed on fire, and you shot a hole in an O2 tank next to it, then you would have bed burning more aggressively than normal. No explosions, no crazy Hollywood stuff. On top of all that, all hospitals are required to have fire suppression systems and alarms. The systems should of been designed for all of the possible hazards, taking them into consideration and be able to handle oxygen fed fires. O2 that is plumbed throughout the hospital has emergency shutoffs everywhere on top of that.

So no, discharging a firearm (in a self defense scenario) inside of a hospital is no more dangerous than anywhere else.
 
Sounds like a very overactive imagination to me. A gun in a hospital ranks only second to a gun in a school for media hysteria. Would never fly, but makes for good fiction.
 
I'm not saying that it will(pure oxygen burn) just posting a link to what was blamed for the deaths of these three astronauts. We were criticized be the Soviets after the tragedy for using "flammable" pure oxygen.
 
There are two issues here:

1) The nature of security at the hospital.
2) Whether certain patients should be allowed to retain their firearms on hospital premises.

I have some experience of both of these from the point of view of a health worker and also a patient.
Firstly I agree that it is likely that security at the hospital is going to be fairly 'nuts and bolts' if you know what I mean, unless there are dignitaries being treated there. I've seen some hairy situations in South Africa in a large trauma unit where the security guards were only armed with batons and there was a no firearms sign and a policy of no staff members carrying firearms whilst at work.
This latter policy was not as rigorously enforced by security because the majority of 'carriers' were doctors who were stationed in the casualty department very close to where the security office was and there was (unofficially) some comfort in that fact for the security guards. Many of these doctors were also reserve policemen.

If something bad happened in the casualty department (armed rival faction or irate customers) then the procedure was to call the Flying Squad, who would often get there pretty darned fast. In the meantime there was the (unofficial) presence of armed health workers.
You have to understand that the health institution is a warm, fluffy, caring thing that doesn't want to distress patients and visitors with the presence of side arms on the hips of the minimally-paid security guards ;)
The potential for litigation in the event that a patient or visitor is exposed to all the horrendously negative and psychologically devastating effects of a firearm discharge is significant...and compounded by the potential 'bonus' prizes of projectiles being in the vicinity of sensitive 'stuff' such as hazardous gas containers, electromagnetic radiation equipment etc. As much as I am trying to breathe a tone of hand-wringing and arched eyebrows into this description, there will be some bean-counter or advisor to the management who will have convinced them of the relevant risks a lot more eloquently than I can.
In short, armed guards are going to be in the minority (if at all present) at most hospitals.

Okay, what about a patient who is armed?

Well a patient isn't just a patient. He could be Mr Jones coming in for an annual chest X-ray and clinic visit for cancer surveillance. It is well within the bounds of reality that his firearm hasn't been seen by security and he arrives in the X-ray department or the clinic with it in an IWB holster or a man-purse.
When I see that guy, I don't call security to tell them to get this guy's gun and check it in. It's a judgment call: the guy isn't going to be admitted, he isn't an obvious threat to himself or anybody else, his demeanour doesn't make me worried about him because he is armed. His clinical history doesn't give cause for concern. He isn't going to be admitted, he will be on his way home in a few hours. See what I mean?

The next one could be drunk, irritable, or otherwise 'not up to par' with the standards you would impose on a stranger who was in contact with a vulnerable member of your family (such as a child) whilst being armed. To word it another way, you wouldn't feel comfortable in their presence if the two of you and a third party who didn't know anything about firearms were sitting in a bingo hall or manning the same stall at a homebake sale. You either want him done and dusted as quickly as possible or there is nothing for it but for him to be disarmed whilst he undergoes his treatments. How that happens is the subject of a different debate.

The OP is somewhere in between (for the sake of argument). He isn't in the best of nic and has an undisclosed firearm. This means that no provision is afforded him, for the secure storage of that firearm during his stay.

And that's the part that I think is an issue. He may not believe himself to be a problem, but there are treatments that do impair your ability to reason and there are side effects from sedatives that make a person incompatible with the safe handling of a firearm.
An example for the OP is a bronchoscopy. He doesn't specify his medical history in detail, but it is entirely within the realms of reality that he can undergo a planned or emergency procedure that makes him unfit thereafter to handle a firearm.
What about other patients? Is this a general ward, or a locked private cubicle that only the OP occupies? My experience is that all-and-sundry have access to wards and cubicles and that a patient cannot even trust staff with valuables these days, never mind a light-fingered fellow patient. Who carries the can if someone takes that 1911 while the OP is downstairs having a CT scan of his chest?

There are very few scenarios where I can think of a legitimate reason to allow an inpatient to keep a firearm in the manner that the OP has stated. Doesn't mean I think the OP was dangerous, it means that there are variables and circumstances that he hasn't thought of that could land him and the hospital administration in a jumbo-sized pile of excrement should things go awry.

And I'll tell you something for free...in hospitals things DO go awry, make no mistake!
 
Jahwarrior

You're a good storyteller. FWIW, our hospitals here in this area do not have any security to speak of - no check point, no visible guard.
 
Try working in a hospital sometime, specifically in direct patient care.

In the last month I've been swung at, spit at, and kicked. You are drunk if you think I am letting any of my patients keep a knife in their room, butter or otherwise. If folks don't like it, they are more than welcome to treat themselves at home.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you see the things we see on a daily basis, you'd probably be inclined to agree.
 
I agree with you 100% S&W. It is a hard job. The ER environment is for special people to work in.

But not everyone working with a title LVN, RN, PA or even DR has a clue to self preservation and situational awareness. All others medical professionals (here) with hurt feelings even know this to be true. But it won't stop them from whining here. ;)

And I have no sympathy for an individual has INTENTIONALLY and REPEATEDLY put themselves in a position that will need emergency medical care. (i.e. drugs/substance/alcohol abuse)

Justin
 
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