Steyr M40 vs Kimber KPD

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Ive been looking at them both. I realize they are basically the same gun and its difficult to pit them together because the KPD is so new. They both even look pretty much the same but Id give the nod to the kimber. The kimber's MSRP is supposed to be around $500 I think. I dont know. You can find an M9 for cheaper than that for sure. But the KPD isnt even out so we cant tell for sure which is gonna be cheaper. I guess this thread might be a little early but I cant wait for the M9 to be out.

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I say Steyr for the following reasons.

1. I've got one and my experience with it is that its a wonderfuly accurate, reliable and ergonomic pistol.

2. The Kimber is a new pistol ... I'd wait until they work the bugs out of it.

3. I bet the Kimber is more expensive than an M40 (maybe even cheaper than an M40A1).

4. I love the sights on the Steyr.



On a side note, why is the photo of the Kimber backward?
 
Well it sounds like the steyr is one hell of a pistol. Ill have to handle them both. If only the KPD had reviews and such. Your right it would be wise to wait a while for it to work out bugs.

Hmm I hadnt noticed. I just got it off some google search. Ill change it
 
Steyr makes a great gun. They are a really nice setup and now that the company has its own US importer support should get better.

The only think I have read on the KPD is this statement by John Franam:

I wouldn' t call the reset "crisp," but it is not as mushy as that of Kimber's KPD."

"Kimber had on display its new KPD, a polymer-framed duty/concealment pistol , designed to compete directly with the G19/23, the SIG 229, and the S&W M&P. It has an eight-pound trigger with a deep, mushy reset. It is slim and features adjustable grip sizes, something that all manufacturers of service
pistols are going to be forced into. It is slim and easy to handle.

On the negative side, it has a magazine safety, and the magazine safety shares the same problem with that of the Ruger's pistols. With the magazine removed, the trigger functions normally, dropping the hammer, but the gun is prevented f rom firing. Magazine safeties on S&W pistols simply make the trigger go slack,which is sensory input to the shooter that the magazine has become unlocked or is not inserted at all. Either way, the shooter instantly knows what to do to correct the problem and get his pistol running.

With the Ruger, and now th e KPD, the magazine safety, when activated, will still allow both trigger andhammer to function normally. It simply blocks the firing pin! Upon hearing a "click," instead of a "bang," the shooter knows little, because the pistol has told him little. Chamber might be empty. Might be a dud round. Magazine maybe unlocked. To me, this is a source of needless confusion. It's a deal-buster!


http://www.defense-training.com/quips/09Feb06.html

http://www.defense-training.com/quips/12Feb06.html

With that feedback from such a well know shooter I would pass and look at the Steyr. Hope that helps.
 
Ditto on what Zund said , my M357 is my main summer carry . The trapizoid sight are amazingly fast to use once you get use to them .
 
Hmm, well it sounds like the steyr is just more impressive. Of course it seems like the only thing the KPD really has wrong with it is the magazine safety. Ill still have to wait till more people have handled the KPD. They should really give me one for a day to test haha. Cant get over that KPDs looks either.
 
Steyr M40

Recently Purchased my second Steyr M40. I regretted selling the first one sveral years ago and hunted like hell to find another. The newer models lack the trigger saffety which I liked for concealed carry but I like the redesigned grips and rails on the newer M40A1.

I own and HK USP compact in .40 also and I'd have to say the Steyr is every bit as good if not better a gun. The trapezoidial sights are different, but are worth geting used to.

The Steyr is a reliable, accurate and well built gun that should be available for under $500 and worth every penny.
 
Steyr Customer Service and Warranty Work

Recently I sent my M40 in to SAI in GA.
I told them that the gun was out of the stated 1yr warranty period.
I also said that the bent spring in question (#19, inner trigger spring) was bent because of my fault and not a mechanical failure (a 60lb mutt jumping in your lap while your cleaning small gun parts is not good for the life of springs).

They repaired it free and sent it back w/ an invoice stating "watrranty service $0"

I know of one other gentleman who sent back a S40 he had bought used and they fixed free.

And yes, when the first teaser photos of the new KPD came out everyone at the steyrclub thought the resemblance was more than a touch close. Might be a great gun, might have early bugs (the M's did too), know way of knowing, but I would not buy one untill I start reading at least a dozen range reports online from actual owners.
 
the Kimber KPD seems to be a S&W M&P. if you want a M&P get it from S&W they have much better warranty than kimber and steyr.

that picture is of a original M series I would get the MA1 series which has the picatinny rail and much better grip.

the steyr has been around since 1999 nothing has changed drastically and issues are fairly well known with them. M&P/KPD just came out.

just noticed KPD only has 12 round magazine same as steyr, M&P has 15rnd magazines

I have 4 Steyrs and 1 S&W in my closet. the steyrs are not going anywhere except to the range then back to the closet except 1 gets the nightstand. S&W makes good pistols have a 40VE and its working fine. dont know of another company outside of S&W that sends out overnight shipping labels to customers needing service.

Steyr MA1 will run $400-$475 a few dealers selling them for more. not sure what KPD is selling for would guess $550+ like M&P.

the Steyr has a much more modular design than the M&P or KPD.

M&P pictures with views of internals
http://mpforum.freeforumsite.com/viewtopic.php?t=4
Steyr M disassembly views
http://www.vbrpc.org/steyrguide/
 
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Well it sounds like the Steyr MA1 pistols will be on top for a while. How about FN forty-nine vs the steyrs?

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FN Forty Nine is a Glock/Sigma copy though its well built. trigger is DAO 8-12 lbs with second strike capability like a SW/P99. I dont think FN makes the Forty Nine anymore. dont see many of them anymore and mags are hard to find. could be I am looking in wrong spot but I dont think so.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/fn_fortynine.html
quote "The FN Forty-Nine pistol has been discontinued by FN."

dont care for the finger grip on the basepad of the forty nine.

I would be more interested in a FNP-9/40 or Browning Pro which is a nice modular design with replaceable frame rails. I didnt like the feel of the FNP grip compared to steyr. could feel the FNP grip flex inward.
 
Yeah I guess I should of said FNP. Seems like the smarter thing to compare them to.
 
I would have to go with the Steyr. Maybe it is because I have a M9 that I really like. Some one that I work with constantly pukes and poops Kimber BS so much that my skin crawls when I hear the word Kimber. I constantly hear "Kimbers are so great" at work that I am happy to say I own a Hi Point 45, among other 45's, fwiw, imo the S&W 4506 is the ULTIMATE 45 .

Go with a Steyr. Less of a sheeple cult IMO.
 
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