Steyr vs. S&W Sigma
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Black Snowman
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They are similar in appearance but that's about it. If you look at the design and funtion of them you'll see a lot of differances just in external features like the sights, magazines, and accessory mount. Lots of mechanical differances as well.
I personally hear a lot more good things about the Steyrs than I do the Sigmas. But I've also heard the newer generation Sigmas are a big improvement over the old ones and quite compedative.
I personally hear a lot more good things about the Steyrs than I do the Sigmas. But I've also heard the newer generation Sigmas are a big improvement over the old ones and quite compedative.
PCRCCW
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Steyr = Good
Sigma + ????? (depending on the gun you get)
Id jump on the Steyr in a heart beat. Ive shot Sigmas and just plain dont like them....they were S&W's initial answer/rebuttle to Glocks popularity.
Shoot well
Sigma + ????? (depending on the gun you get)
Id jump on the Steyr in a heart beat. Ive shot Sigmas and just plain dont like them....they were S&W's initial answer/rebuttle to Glocks popularity.
Shoot well
Kilroy
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From the Firing Line Archives:
From 1998…
I was loaned an Enhanced Sigma in .40 S&W this last year. It was very reliable in one critical aspect, five rounds out of fifty would go click and no bang. No firing pin marks at all, just a click and no bang. The person who furnished the gun reported the same thing, at the same fequency. I see this with other Sigmas in a LE training academy, with one agency having a third of it's Sigmas going "click" and no bang. The same inconsistent perfromance also kept it out of consideration for a local LE degree program. In an adjoining state, the failure to fire during a gun fight is still under investigation, with the performance of the Sigma being suspect.
In the case of the LE agency with about one third of it's Sigmas going click and no bang, the guns were sent to S&W and returned with all new internals. Unknown if this fixed the problem. Other guns were not an option for this department as they were given the special treatment of "no cost" trade of 5906s (w/several pre-ban hicaps per).
The T&E gun continued to perform the same way, in spite of cleaning and using a wide variety of ammunition. It was returned.
The above was from 1998.
There same has continued since then, with some of the affected agencies moving to Glocks or Sigs. The Sigmas that continue to show up are always a problem. A local store is unable to sell police trade in Sigmas and ships them to commercial outlets in the southwest.
As of October 2003, Sigmas continue to be poor performers on the range. I have not seen any that make it to the 1,000 round count without something breaking, serious maintenance intervention or "click and no bang" episodes.
From 1998…
I was loaned an Enhanced Sigma in .40 S&W this last year. It was very reliable in one critical aspect, five rounds out of fifty would go click and no bang. No firing pin marks at all, just a click and no bang. The person who furnished the gun reported the same thing, at the same fequency. I see this with other Sigmas in a LE training academy, with one agency having a third of it's Sigmas going "click" and no bang. The same inconsistent perfromance also kept it out of consideration for a local LE degree program. In an adjoining state, the failure to fire during a gun fight is still under investigation, with the performance of the Sigma being suspect.
In the case of the LE agency with about one third of it's Sigmas going click and no bang, the guns were sent to S&W and returned with all new internals. Unknown if this fixed the problem. Other guns were not an option for this department as they were given the special treatment of "no cost" trade of 5906s (w/several pre-ban hicaps per).
The T&E gun continued to perform the same way, in spite of cleaning and using a wide variety of ammunition. It was returned.
The above was from 1998.
There same has continued since then, with some of the affected agencies moving to Glocks or Sigs. The Sigmas that continue to show up are always a problem. A local store is unable to sell police trade in Sigmas and ships them to commercial outlets in the southwest.
As of October 2003, Sigmas continue to be poor performers on the range. I have not seen any that make it to the 1,000 round count without something breaking, serious maintenance intervention or "click and no bang" episodes.
Flashpoint
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The ergonomics are simular. The triggers are woulds apart. The Sigma's trigger is more akin to the first pull of a DA/SA, where the Steyr's trigger feels more like the second pull on a DA/SA pistol. The craftmanship of the Streyr seems better to me, I could brush my hair with the reflection in the feed ramp on the Steyr where the Sigma is a little rough feeling. The Sigma that I shot was a decent gun, it's just not the Steyr.
twoblink
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I'm somewhat of the Steyr bigot on THR.. there's no pistol that is like the Steyr.. It's the most ergonomic..
That said, as far as Sigma's..
It's prone to flare when shot directly into the sunlight, I find the bokeh to be a bit harsh and there is slight barrel distortion, vignetting at the wide end, and barreling at the tele end. Overall, not as contrasty as the Nikkor lenses but not as soft as the Canon ones..
Oh.. Wrong sigmas...
That said, as far as Sigma's..
It's prone to flare when shot directly into the sunlight, I find the bokeh to be a bit harsh and there is slight barrel distortion, vignetting at the wide end, and barreling at the tele end. Overall, not as contrasty as the Nikkor lenses but not as soft as the Canon ones..
Oh.. Wrong sigmas...
Flashpoint
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twoblink,
Your location being where it is it doesn't suprise me that your talking about cameras
Your location being where it is it doesn't suprise me that your talking about cameras
mrapathy2000
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sigma's can be ok plenty of spare parts availible and 15 round mags are nice if they come with the gun. the latest sigmas with rail and stippled grip are supposed to be more reliable.
steyr is better quality thinner grip,better trigger and has a safety and a built in locking system which locks the trigger from being pulled. though the lock can be disabled easily its still good feature. for $300-$350 steyr is a steal! pistols that compare in quality go for $400-$500.
beside steyr the other gun I would look for would be a HK usp 40 trade in from cdnninvestments for $400 which is also a steal as HK usps go for $550-$700+
steyr is coming out with new version of frame in future when ? dont know.
the rails on steyr are not useless though no one has made an adapter or device for them so they are just as good as nothing. sigma rail does have atleast 2 items availible for it from insight technology.
steyr is better quality thinner grip,better trigger and has a safety and a built in locking system which locks the trigger from being pulled. though the lock can be disabled easily its still good feature. for $300-$350 steyr is a steal! pistols that compare in quality go for $400-$500.
beside steyr the other gun I would look for would be a HK usp 40 trade in from cdnninvestments for $400 which is also a steal as HK usps go for $550-$700+
steyr is coming out with new version of frame in future when ? dont know.
the rails on steyr are not useless though no one has made an adapter or device for them so they are just as good as nothing. sigma rail does have atleast 2 items availible for it from insight technology.
matsaleh
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Mine is coming!
I just ordered a new Steyr S40 from CDNN. It should be at my FFL Friday. W00t! Can't wait. Can't beat that kind of gun for only $340! The larger M40 was only $290.
On that rail - think I could get a machine shop to make a bayonet mount for it?
Cheers.
I just ordered a new Steyr S40 from CDNN. It should be at my FFL Friday. W00t! Can't wait. Can't beat that kind of gun for only $340! The larger M40 was only $290.
On that rail - think I could get a machine shop to make a bayonet mount for it?
Cheers.
OK, no cracks from the peanut gallery, but I have never been able to shoot a Sigma well. There is something about the trigger that makes me twitch the pistol to the right, and I can't seem to get over it. I finally gave up and relegated the Sigma (.40) to collection status.
Jim
Jim
Roger rodbolt
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matsaleh,
I hope that you are as happy with your S40 as I am mine. Got it from CDNN, it's compact, fits my hand/sets low, recoils like a Glock in 9mm, better trigger, much better accuracy. If Steyr made a S45 it MIGHT replace the compact 1911's (Commanders & Officers) that I dearly love. I'm taking all (3) of my Glocks to a gun show this weekend and if I'm able to sell them I plan to buy another Steyr and see if I can get a magazine to feed 45's, shouldn't be much trouble to rebarrel it to the ACP and the purchase price is right!
Larry
I hope that you are as happy with your S40 as I am mine. Got it from CDNN, it's compact, fits my hand/sets low, recoils like a Glock in 9mm, better trigger, much better accuracy. If Steyr made a S45 it MIGHT replace the compact 1911's (Commanders & Officers) that I dearly love. I'm taking all (3) of my Glocks to a gun show this weekend and if I'm able to sell them I plan to buy another Steyr and see if I can get a magazine to feed 45's, shouldn't be much trouble to rebarrel it to the ACP and the purchase price is right!
Larry
Freightman
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I had a Sigma worst gun I ever had, and I have had such favorites as Jennings, Loricin, Davis and the Sigma made them look and act as quality guns.
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