Still don't understand difference between P99 DA/SA, DA Only (P990), and P99 QA
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I asked this a while back. From what I can tell, the P99 DA/SA is just like a 92FS or Sig. The P990 is like a Glock, and the P99QA is like a Glock with a shorter trigger.
I could be wrong as these three versions do seem confusing.
I could be wrong as these three versions do seem confusing.
lunde
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The standard P99 (SA/DA) is a traditional double-action pistol. It has a decocker to put the pistol into DA mode (when it goes into SA mode when it is first loaded). The DA trigger is long and heavy, as a safety measure. The SA trigger is light and crisp, as it should be, with a short and crisp reset for subsequent shots.
The P990 (DAO) is like the standard P99 but without the ability to go into SA mode. If you were to remove one from your consideration list, this would be it.
The P99 QA is the most like the Glock, with a trigger that is lighter than the P990, with a constant pull for each shot. The P99 QA trigger is not as nice as the standard P99's SA trigger.
My recommendation is for a standard P99 (SA/DA).
The P990 (DAO) is like the standard P99 but without the ability to go into SA mode. If you were to remove one from your consideration list, this would be it.
The P99 QA is the most like the Glock, with a trigger that is lighter than the P990, with a constant pull for each shot. The P99 QA trigger is not as nice as the standard P99's SA trigger.
My recommendation is for a standard P99 (SA/DA).
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Logistar
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FWIW....
FIRING THE PISTOL
There are three ways to fire the P99 pistol - double action mode (trigger forward), single action mode (trigger forward) and single action mode (trigger rearward).
TRIGGER IN FORWARD POSITION DOUBLE ACTION FIRING - P99, P990
The trigger is in the forward position when firing in double action mode. For a quick first shot when fine accuracy is not the most important concern, point the pistol at the target and take aim. TO FIRE: pull the trigger all the way through the full length of its travel. This cocks the striker and fires the pistol all in one motion. This is the only way to fire a P990 pistol.
SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER FORWARD - P99
If the striker is decocked, but you wish to fire the first shot single action, point the pistol in a safe direction, pull the slide back about 3/8 inch an let it go. This cocks the striker without ejecting the round in the chamber. When you have loaded the first round into the chamber, or if you have decocked the striker and then cocked it again without firing the pistol, the trigger is forward, in the same position as double action mode, BUT THE TRIGGER PULL WILL BE MUCH LIGHTER. TO FIRE: carefully take up the slack until the trigger clicks into the single action position, and then fire the pistol in single action mode.
SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER REARWARD - P99
After you fire the first shot the striker is cocked and all shots are single action. In single action mode the trigger is much farther back in the trigger guard and the TRIGGER PULL IS MUCH SHORTER AND LIGHTER. TO FIRE: squeeze the trigger all the way back.
Hope this helps. It confused the heck out of me the first time I read it!
Logistar
FIRING THE PISTOL
There are three ways to fire the P99 pistol - double action mode (trigger forward), single action mode (trigger forward) and single action mode (trigger rearward).
TRIGGER IN FORWARD POSITION DOUBLE ACTION FIRING - P99, P990
The trigger is in the forward position when firing in double action mode. For a quick first shot when fine accuracy is not the most important concern, point the pistol at the target and take aim. TO FIRE: pull the trigger all the way through the full length of its travel. This cocks the striker and fires the pistol all in one motion. This is the only way to fire a P990 pistol.
SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER FORWARD - P99
If the striker is decocked, but you wish to fire the first shot single action, point the pistol in a safe direction, pull the slide back about 3/8 inch an let it go. This cocks the striker without ejecting the round in the chamber. When you have loaded the first round into the chamber, or if you have decocked the striker and then cocked it again without firing the pistol, the trigger is forward, in the same position as double action mode, BUT THE TRIGGER PULL WILL BE MUCH LIGHTER. TO FIRE: carefully take up the slack until the trigger clicks into the single action position, and then fire the pistol in single action mode.
SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER REARWARD - P99
After you fire the first shot the striker is cocked and all shots are single action. In single action mode the trigger is much farther back in the trigger guard and the TRIGGER PULL IS MUCH SHORTER AND LIGHTER. TO FIRE: squeeze the trigger all the way back.
Hope this helps. It confused the heck out of me the first time I read it!
Logistar
Fireatwill
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Timmerk,
I just bought one and the action is great. It's hard to explain but you really have to try it out. Get to the local gun store or gun show and try it. I like the trigger mechanism better than any glock I have shot. Good luck
Timmerk,
I just bought one and the action is great. It's hard to explain but you really have to try it out. Get to the local gun store or gun show and try it. I like the trigger mechanism better than any glock I have shot. Good luck
Gunslinger45
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Posted by Logistar:
That second options (SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER FORWARD) sounds like trouble to me! Also useless! Just my 2 cents worth.
That second options (SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER FORWARD) sounds like trouble to me! Also useless! Just my 2 cents worth.
LoveMy45
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Some clarification...
It's not a matter of "useless", it's just a matter of how you operate the trigger (I'm only talking about the P99 here).
Here's how it works. If the striker is not cocked, but a round is chambered, then firing the pistol is done by a long, relatively heavy double-action pull on the trigger (Double-Action means that the pull on the trigger does two things: 1. cock the striker or hammer; and 2. fire the pistol). This is what has been called "TRIGGER IN FORWARD POSITION DOUBLE ACTION FIRING" in this thread.
It's at this point that what your finger does will determine which single-action mode you are able to do on the next shot (Single-Action means that the pull on the trigger does a single thing: 1. fire the already-cocked pistol). If you allow your finger to relax during or after the shot such that the trigger moves all the way forward, then you will have a long trigger pull with a cocked striker. This trigger pull is much lighter than the double-action pull when the striker is not cocked, but it is still a long trigger pull. This is what has been called "SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER FORWARD" in this thread.
If, however, you train your finger to keep the trigger fully compressed to the rear during the recoil (good follow-through), and then let the trigger go forward just until you feel a click, then you can fire again with a short, light pull on the trigger. This is what has been called "SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER REARWARD" in this thread. This aids in doing accurate shooting, and to me is the best way to fire shots subsequent to the first one. Now, it does take practice and training to get your finger to do this each time. It is easy to let the trigger relax all the way forward. Give it a try and you will see what I mean.
BTW, the Glock action is somewhat similar in that the first pull is a long double-action shot, but the next shot depends on what your finger does, just like I've described above. If you let go of the trigger, then the next shot will be double-action again (there is no cocking or decocking on a Glock). However, if you only let the trigger move forward until you feel a click, then it is a short, easy trigger pull.
Sorry that this is so long-winded. I hope that it clarified some things.
It's not a matter of "useless", it's just a matter of how you operate the trigger (I'm only talking about the P99 here).
Here's how it works. If the striker is not cocked, but a round is chambered, then firing the pistol is done by a long, relatively heavy double-action pull on the trigger (Double-Action means that the pull on the trigger does two things: 1. cock the striker or hammer; and 2. fire the pistol). This is what has been called "TRIGGER IN FORWARD POSITION DOUBLE ACTION FIRING" in this thread.
It's at this point that what your finger does will determine which single-action mode you are able to do on the next shot (Single-Action means that the pull on the trigger does a single thing: 1. fire the already-cocked pistol). If you allow your finger to relax during or after the shot such that the trigger moves all the way forward, then you will have a long trigger pull with a cocked striker. This trigger pull is much lighter than the double-action pull when the striker is not cocked, but it is still a long trigger pull. This is what has been called "SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER FORWARD" in this thread.
If, however, you train your finger to keep the trigger fully compressed to the rear during the recoil (good follow-through), and then let the trigger go forward just until you feel a click, then you can fire again with a short, light pull on the trigger. This is what has been called "SINGLE ACTION FIRING - TRIGGER REARWARD" in this thread. This aids in doing accurate shooting, and to me is the best way to fire shots subsequent to the first one. Now, it does take practice and training to get your finger to do this each time. It is easy to let the trigger relax all the way forward. Give it a try and you will see what I mean.
BTW, the Glock action is somewhat similar in that the first pull is a long double-action shot, but the next shot depends on what your finger does, just like I've described above. If you let go of the trigger, then the next shot will be double-action again (there is no cocking or decocking on a Glock). However, if you only let the trigger move forward until you feel a click, then it is a short, easy trigger pull.
Sorry that this is so long-winded.
I hope that it clarified some things.Phil Siciliano
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P99 QA Vs. P99 AS
Hi I'm a new member, and would like to know th difference between the P99 AS and P99 QA, I want to purchase one of them not sure of the differences. I curently own a German Walther PPK and love it but one to step up in power
Thanks
Phil Siciliano
Hi I'm a new member, and would like to know th difference between the P99 AS and P99 QA, I want to purchase one of them not sure of the differences. I curently own a German Walther PPK and love it but one to step up in power
Thanks
Phil Siciliano
Can anybody give me a general comparison of the feel of a standard Glock, a Glock with a 3.5# connector (34/35) and the P99 QA?
I really like the Glock 34 but am kinda considering something smaller, and I really like the feel of the P99 (and I don't like the feel of the Glock 19) ... but every P99 QA I've seen has just the 10-round mags, and I can't find 15-rounders for less than $45. That's ridiculous.
I really like the Glock 34 but am kinda considering something smaller, and I really like the feel of the P99 (and I don't like the feel of the Glock 19) ... but every P99 QA I've seen has just the 10-round mags, and I can't find 15-rounders for less than $45. That's ridiculous.
PX15
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Quit worrying about the different types and just get yourself the "AS" (anti-stress) traditional DA/SA model... Absolutely fantastic.
I was so pleased with my compact "AS" that I purchased a full size too.. AS versons are a bit more difficult to find, but I guarantee you it is well worth the wait..
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
P.S. tostada: CDNN sells new "full capacity" SW99/P99 mags for less than $30. My buddy has an SW99 and I've the full size P99/AS. Mags work perfectly, and are 16rd'ers too boot..
PX15
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Gunslinger45:
The 2nd option (Trigger forward/SA) is simply that, an additional option not available on other pistols. I personally don't care for it as I cc first round DA for the additional safety aspect of the heavier (8.8lb) trigger/striker pull. I also enjoy not seeing the "cocked" red indicator smiling at me as it would be the the "AS" mode.
My first round would be a traditional DA, subsequent rounds by the lighter (4.4lb) SA trigger/striker pull.
I think the red "cocked" indicator, and red "chamber loaded" indicators are very desirable, and not found on some firearms of the same basic type. The dual magazine release levers incorporated into the bottom of the trigger guard seems to put some people off, until you actually use one yourself. IMO a great improvement over the traditional mag. release generally found elsewhere.
The replaceable grip backstraps actually tailer the grip to your liking. I've yet to find another firearm who's grip is as ergonomically friendly..
But having said that, different folks like different things, and if (for whatever reason) you would chose a lighter trigger pull, but longer trigger travel you have that option too..
My wife's Impala has a sun roof, and while we seldom use it, it's just another "option". Options are, well, options..
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
P.S. And here's your backup..
The 2nd option (Trigger forward/SA) is simply that, an additional option not available on other pistols. I personally don't care for it as I cc first round DA for the additional safety aspect of the heavier (8.8lb) trigger/striker pull. I also enjoy not seeing the "cocked" red indicator smiling at me as it would be the the "AS" mode.
My first round would be a traditional DA, subsequent rounds by the lighter (4.4lb) SA trigger/striker pull.
I think the red "cocked" indicator, and red "chamber loaded" indicators are very desirable, and not found on some firearms of the same basic type. The dual magazine release levers incorporated into the bottom of the trigger guard seems to put some people off, until you actually use one yourself. IMO a great improvement over the traditional mag. release generally found elsewhere.
The replaceable grip backstraps actually tailer the grip to your liking. I've yet to find another firearm who's grip is as ergonomically friendly..
But having said that, different folks like different things, and if (for whatever reason) you would chose a lighter trigger pull, but longer trigger travel you have that option too..
My wife's Impala has a sun roof, and while we seldom use it, it's just another "option". Options are, well, options..
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
P.S. And here's your backup..
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