One of my friends was shooting his G43 and he dropped the mag with a round left in the chamber. He fired at a target and got a jam. It appeared the case head seperated and left a partial piece of brass in the chamber. He then locked back the slide and retrieved a wooden dowel from his bag and proceeded to pop out the piece of brass. Low and behold it was in backwards. It had extracted and flipped around and rechambered head first. Talk about weird. I suppose the lack of magazine caused a peculiar condition that caused it. Not the strangest thing I've ever seen, but nevertheless.
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Since none of my pistols has ever malfunctioned when I've fired them without a magazine, I previously believed the lack of a mag had nothing to do with the malfunction. Then, I saw this video - looks like I was mistaken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGSrjymmqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGSrjymmqE
F-111 John
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Glocks are not designed to eject brass normally with a missing magazine. I believe there is an extractor test for 1911s that involved firing a round with no magazine, and having the brass eject normally. This test does not always work with a Glock
With a Glock, the extractor does not hold onto the brass tightly enough to prevent it from slipping off of the breech face during extraction without a magazine inserted. It will either fall down out of the magazine well, or slip enough that the ejector hits the round in the wrong place and stovepipes instead of kicking the brass up and out.
Flipping the brass around and rechambering it though, was probably a 1 in 1000 neat trick.
(Edit to add: Just saw the OP's link to Hickok45's Youtube video that basically said what I just said.)
With a Glock, the extractor does not hold onto the brass tightly enough to prevent it from slipping off of the breech face during extraction without a magazine inserted. It will either fall down out of the magazine well, or slip enough that the ejector hits the round in the wrong place and stovepipes instead of kicking the brass up and out.
Flipping the brass around and rechambering it though, was probably a 1 in 1000 neat trick.
(Edit to add: Just saw the OP's link to Hickok45's Youtube video that basically said what I just said.)
FYI: if you are experiencing intermittent failures with a gun, check your magazine spring tension. If the magazine spring is weak, it could cause a gap between the extracting case and the next round in the mag, almost as if there is no mag in the gun at all. That follower needs to move up quickly (for certain guns at least).
This is especially hard to catch because it might only fail in this way on a particular spot on the mag (like only on the fourth round), and even then only half of the time.
This is especially hard to catch because it might only fail in this way on a particular spot on the mag (like only on the fourth round), and even then only half of the time.
I believe Glock and most plastic frame handguns, to be quite a bit springier than metal frame pistols.
This springiness causes flex that may very well move an empty cartridge away from good solid contact with the ejector inducing the malfunction you witnessed with your friends Glock, especially with no magazine in place to stiffen things up and provide a smooth guide platform for the empty case to follow.
This springiness causes flex that may very well move an empty cartridge away from good solid contact with the ejector inducing the malfunction you witnessed with your friends Glock, especially with no magazine in place to stiffen things up and provide a smooth guide platform for the empty case to follow.
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Reminds me of two popular sayings where I work.
Truth is stranger than fiction
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You just can't make this stuff up
Truth is stranger than fiction
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You just can't make this stuff up
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MIL-DOT
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Not busting on you SSN Vet, but I got a permanent (as in never-goes-away) infraction point for once typing out * (for the same word), yet this and others just like it fly right on through.
Hit the report button.
The post you quoted is a clear violation of THR posting rules and will be handled by the mods. If they see it or a report leads them to it.
IF you want to give the poster a friendly "hey, probably don't want to do that", it's best not to quote them, so that they can edit it away and it will be gone from public/regular user view
BTW: I was also infracted in the past for literally posting asterisks in place of a swear word...and it wasn't even a specific swear word I had in mind IIRC I just posted asterisks lol
Terlingueno
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Glocks without a magazine will drop the case through the magwell. When I installed an Apex extractor in mine, it doesn't do that anymore. Tosses the case out at 4:00 with or without a magazine.
MIL-DOT
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Nah, you're right, I didn't mean to dime anyone out, hitting the 'report' button is out of the question (especially since he didn't do anything wrong IMO
.And that's what happened to me also, I typed 4 asterisks in place of a common word that is often referenced here more clearly that you and I referenced it, with expressions like "SHTF" and others. I got an infraction the NEVER expires, while greater violations slide by here all the time. Go figure.
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