Strange stock padding seen in ukraine conflict
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Sam1911
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Wow, funny, I got it on the first guess. Hit google images for "Russian issue tourniquet."
rcmodel
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No, but it looks like neoprene surgical tubing.
A soft & slightly tacky Stock cheek-rest that doubles as a battlefield tourniquet.
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A soft & slightly tacky Stock cheek-rest that doubles as a battlefield tourniquet.
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Doc7
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good job to Sam and RC!
What is the point of wrapping it around the stock? Is this is a common practice? I wouldn't think a tourniquet would be long enough to wrap around a stock. Are you sure its not a leather strap?
rcmodel
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No, it's a rubber tourniquet.
Probably the point is like I said.
It makes a soft cheek rest, and a secure place to carry it close.
And if your leg gets blown off stepping on a toe-popper mine?
You still have it on your rifle with the rest of you, instead of blown off with your leg & all your gear in the weeds.
An experienced combat solder will let go of his junk before he will let go of his weapon.
rc
Probably the point is like I said.
It makes a soft cheek rest, and a secure place to carry it close.
And if your leg gets blown off stepping on a toe-popper mine?
You still have it on your rifle with the rest of you, instead of blown off with your leg & all your gear in the weeds.
An experienced combat solder will let go of his junk before he will let go of his weapon.
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I don't think a ak-74 kicks very hard, why would you need a cheek rest?
Panzerschwein
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I've done some research and it appears that the guys over there sometimes do use tournequets to make stock pads.
The point of wrapping it around the stock is to make for a more comfortable cheek weld especially on the wire stocks of various Kalashnikov patern rifles etc. etc.
Jorg Nysgerrig
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You know, it's pretty tacky to ask a question and then argue with those you try to help you.
Based just on the information Sam1911, a simple Google search shows plenty of people talking about that sort of thing:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119670
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146614
http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?70457-Triangle-folding-stock-and-the-cleaning-kit
http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=17954.0
http://www.theakforum.net/forums/29-russian/110789-russian-tourniquet.html
Based just on the information Sam1911, a simple Google search shows plenty of people talking about that sort of thing:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119670
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146614
http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?70457-Triangle-folding-stock-and-the-cleaning-kit
http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=17954.0
http://www.theakforum.net/forums/29-russian/110789-russian-tourniquet.html
rcmodel
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Ever shot one on full-auto?
Ever shot one at all?
rc
Ever dove for the ground and had the stock smack you in the cheek or chin? And the AK or any other battle rifle doesn't have to kick hard for them to be justified in putting it there. It just makes sense to put it there. It kills 2 birds with one stone. Either way, we know the answer now.
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The US probably spends $50+ for their fancy velcro/web tourniquet and the Russians probably spend half that for a spool large enough for a platoon or more.
I wonder if they relearned the value of the tourniquet from watching the US for the last decade or if they figured it out in their SW Asian War.
I wonder if they relearned the value of the tourniquet from watching the US for the last decade or if they figured it out in their SW Asian War.
rcmodel
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Like I said in post #3.
Try any well stocked hardware store or medical supply store.
Or, they sell the real deal on eBay all the time.
rc
Try any well stocked hardware store or medical supply store.
Or, they sell the real deal on eBay all the time.
Well, thats sure a 180 turn from were you started out!
rc
Ignition Override
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How would non-medical people know that it's surgical tubing, or tourniquet tubing (tourni-anything), simply by looking at the first photos?
It might work quite well on the stock of my Yugo Mauser (or FR8s), along with the 1" slip on recoil "device" on the end of the stock.
What the tubing actually is might not even matter. My last three large cases of 7.62x39 are labeled "Made In Ukraine". A minor difference, but better than nothing at all.
It might work quite well on the stock of my Yugo Mauser (or FR8s), along with the 1" slip on recoil "device" on the end of the stock.
What the tubing actually is might not even matter. My last three large cases of 7.62x39 are labeled "Made In Ukraine". A minor difference, but better than nothing at all.
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Doc7
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They wouldn't but a google of "Russian issue tourniquet" after the first reply put it to bed immediately.
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AethelstanAegen
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Russian soldiers have been wrapping their issued tourniquets around their stocks for a very long time, so those of us with some knowledge of Soviet history/military easily recognize it. Also, just because people are on a gun forum doesn't mean they're not medical people. It's definitely an issued tourniquet.
Here's a soldier in the Soviet-Afghan War sporting the same tourniquet on his AK.
Sam1911
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They're on eBay for about $14. Which is about what you'll pay for one of our SOF-T or CAT units which probably work far better.
Here's one wrapped around an AK stock, up close:
Looks pretty uncomfortable to me, and I'd rather have a paracord wrap or something that doesn't grab my face (or beard).
Tourniquets are surprisingly hard to get to work right, and improvised ones that don't have cinching mechanisms (and folks not trained to use them) generally are useless.
Here's one wrapped around an AK stock, up close:
Looks pretty uncomfortable to me, and I'd rather have a paracord wrap or something that doesn't grab my face (or beard).
I've no doubt it is simpler/cheaper than ours, but it isn't just a spool of rubber strapping.
Tourniquets are surprisingly hard to get to work right, and improvised ones that don't have cinching mechanisms (and folks not trained to use them) generally are useless.
stonecutter2
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Good cheek weld promotes accuracy. If someone can't align the sights great with a stock, adding thickness to it can help. Just a field expedient way to keep a tourniquet handy, and improve cheek weld.
Sam1911
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I don't know exactly how the Russian one works, but it could be similar to the new RAT device:
http://ratstourniquet.com/
I've seen that one used and it is amazingly simple. Really just like a long bungee cord that relies on the increasing tension of multiple wraps to squeeze down on the limb. The first wrap really just anchors the thing to the limb and then you can start stretching it out and pulling harder with each successive wrap. (Tourniquets hurt worse than the initial injury, from what I'm told.
) One problem is that is usually has to be cut away because it almost can't be unlatched once secured. (Sort of like trying to get a rubber band off your finger if you've REALLY cinched it down.)
Anyway, if the Russian one is relying on the elasticity of the strap to bite harder with each successive wrap, then really it just needs a way to secure the free end once it's tight.
http://ratstourniquet.com/
I've seen that one used and it is amazingly simple. Really just like a long bungee cord that relies on the increasing tension of multiple wraps to squeeze down on the limb. The first wrap really just anchors the thing to the limb and then you can start stretching it out and pulling harder with each successive wrap. (Tourniquets hurt worse than the initial injury, from what I'm told.
) One problem is that is usually has to be cut away because it almost can't be unlatched once secured. (Sort of like trying to get a rubber band off your finger if you've REALLY cinched it down.)Anyway, if the Russian one is relying on the elasticity of the strap to bite harder with each successive wrap, then really it just needs a way to secure the free end once it's tight.
The problem with surgical tubing is that it is round, so if I wrap it around the stock more than once it is likely to bunch up and be uneven. I need something flat.
If you watch the Russian movie "9th Company" you'll see the tourniquets on the rifle stocks. Typically you'll find a bandage inside the triangle of the stock as well.
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