Strategy for seniors?

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Carl Levitian

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A recent exellent post by bikerdoc got me to thinking about personal strategys for some of us old farts. I've found out that as we age, our situation changes alot, and not for the best.

When you're young, strong, full of viniger, personal defense strategies are alot easier. If you are lucky enough to live in a CCW able area, better still. But very few young guys are going to have to defend themselves as much as an older person. The simple fact is, some 30 something in shape male walking down the street is not a easy target. Same steet, same time of evening, and make it a 60 plus senior citizen, and things change fast. Age, white hair, a cane that is sometimes needed, and you're like the old deer at the back of the herd when the wolves come. And for some odd reason, old folks are seen as having money. Being retired on social security, this is a fact I ponder.

So what to do?

As a senior citizen, I've found the overwhelming thing you need to do is look. Observation of all around you, to the point of paranoia. Yes, be paranoid, someplace along your day, you are being watched by the wolves.

I noticed that when I got past 60, the amount of close calls, or as they are known, street interviews, increased by a dramatic number. And in many locations. Parking lot of a grocery store, parking lots of malls, parking lot of the post office, parking lots of roadside rest area's on the interstate. Parking lots seem to be a favorite stalking place of the wolves for the senior citizen.

The first 60 years of my life, I had very little trouble. But I was just thinking of it recently, and it seems like the past few years, there has been more close calls than the rest of my life that came before. Okay, white beard, a cane or walking stick I use because of an old service injury, a slight limp, and I've become an attractive target.

I've come to the conclusion, there is no condition white ever for a senior citizen out in public. Ever. Condition yellow is now standard when out and about, with red when passing by or seeing young guys in the area. I've taken to planning moves at any one time when the young turks walk by just in case. How I'm going to utilize the blackthorn stick in my hand, can I keep this building on my right, can I make it to the two parked SUV's right there so as to back into the narrow space between them to limit how they can come at me. Checking the environment for any tactical high ground that can be used to back up to.

Paranoid? Yes, I admit to being so, but age has made it so. Things change on the street when the young wolves are younger than you, faster than you, stronger than you. In the end, all thats left is our mind, and how devious, tricky, and underhanded we can be. It's the one thing that sets us apart from the rest of the animals; the ability to plan future actions, and the concept of misleading your enemy. The senior citizen has to be like the old Q-ships.

Of course, it would be one answer to just move to a CCW state. But its hard to go someplace new when all your family and friends are here. Having lived most of my life in a non-firearm carry state, I'm used to it by now. I just plan things different. And watch everybody and everything.

As I've aged, I've found simple observation of everything around me to be the most important thing. Everytime I walk out the door of a store, office, or home, take a few seconds to pause and adjust your sunglasses or hat brim, and scan around you. Take stock of who's sitting in that car idling on the parking lot? Is that guy standing there smoking, waiting for his wife? If so, she's been a while as he has a couple butts on the ground.

It's amazing what you see around you if you look carefully.
 
Thaks for the compliment Carl.

Well said Carl, my thought exactly only better articulated.

The only thing I would add is for us old farts to get some training.

The blackbelt at the local dojo has given me some really good training with my cane.( inexpensive) Amazing simple stuff like snaps to the groin, and some stuff that resembles bayonet training. Thrust, parry, block, slash, and bash! Good stuff.
Meanwhile I continue to use situational awareness when I leave the house.
I encourage our brothers and sisters not to look like victims. Make eye contact that says not today bozo. Carry yourself with an attitude. Easy for me to say I have had a bad attitude all my life.:evil:

I really dont want to fight, but if I have to Im the one going home to supper.

thanks again Carl, and how about some more comment from the rest of you greybeards.
 
"The simple fact is, some 30 something in shape male walking down the street is not a easy target. Same steet, same time of evening, and make it a 60 plus senior citizen, and things change fast."

Which is exactly why I got my CCW.

At one time I traveled a lot for my job ... often not into the best parts of town all over the country. Wife expressed some concern about this to a friend of mine, and he replied to her that she shouldn't worry because "he isn't the victim type." When learned about this I asked him about that comment, his reply was: "You're too big, too young, too aware and too fast. They will pick a long list of easier targets before they bother with you."

We, it's some 15 years later now, and I'm still too big, I hope too aware, but young and fast are a thing of the past. So I carry ... pretty much all the time, as I'm starting to fit that "victim type" better and better as the years drag on. I'm suspecting (hoping?) that I'll never need to as much as draw my weapon ... but I'm also aware that there are a sizable number of people in this world today that will, without hesitation, kill you for the change in your pocket or the shoes on your feet.

As for our friend in Germantown ... I feel for you living in Maryland as I just recently escaped there (after 25+ years) and moved to South Carolina. Maryland has decided that YOUR life isn't as important as the lives of the CRIMINALS that would prey on you. And as I'm sure you are aware, you have more than a handful there in Montgomery county.

If you agree with the state's analysis of the situation, then play by their rules. If not ...

And remember, the only people that consider Maryland to be a "non firearm state" are the victims.
 
I guess being 67 years young qualifies me as being an old fart, graybeard, geezer, whatever. I 've been carrying for only about two years now but part of my decision to do so was because of the nature of life today.
We "oldtimers" have seen such a huge change in the younger generation and their attitudes towards the seniors that many of us can see the potential of becoming victims for a few bucks or a nice ride. I try to stay completly aware of my surroundings at all times but there are times when the old brain just wants to enjoy the day or night and doesn't pay enough attention. It's during these times that I am grateful to live in a shall issue state. I have never faced a threat and I hope I never will but I know for sure I have at my side a tool that will somewhat equalize or end the threat.
 
gentllemen,
we are lucky to live in shall issue states, so we can carry. But Carl cannot. His point and my original post speaks to mindset and awareness. Let us not default to gun for every situation.
Start with the brain and then add tools. Layered defenses and responses. Then the tools.

My original post was in this section -Stategey and tactics and titled;
PERSONAL STATEGY

Using the acronym STARE W, I describe a mindset and thought process.

Sure I will slap leather if I have to, I dont want to, but I will. Im more lilely to avoid touble, using my system. If various steps in the system fail Im more likely to beat and wack the snot out of you with you with my cane, and leave the area before i default to gun.

Remember every bullet has a lawyer attached to it. And every situation does not call for a gun.
 
The human body has a surprisingly high number of weak points that a solid cane can damage. A little training with a cane will go a long way, and guess what, if you regularly use a cane for mobility nobody is going to accuse you of carrying a dangerous weapon. I would bet it will even get you sympathy.
 
this has been an eye-opening thread for me. being a man of only 30 years and the size of a linebacker, I dont often find myself in position to be a victim.

that said, I think it's necessary that those of us who still have youth, strength, and speed on our side keep an eye out for seniors who may be in trouble. considering the incredible debt we owe our elders, it's really the least that we can do.

so let's make sure that the older couple leaving the restaurant doesnt get hassled by the loud group drinking on the corner, or maybe pull over and check on the gentleman fixing a flat on the highway.

thanks for posting this, Carl. :)
 
Couple of years ago there was a post about a senior who killed a teenage knife wielder mugger and drove off his friend with his bare hands while down in the Caribbean island off a cruise ship. Luckily he was not charged. I would say that is certainly the exception not the rule.

I find with seniors of whom I will be one sooner than I like that a group strategy helps a bit. Avoid going places alone, tell people where you are going and why, Don't go somewhere unarmed doing something that might make you a target if you can avoid it.

Paranoia will serve you well which is why you tend to get when you are older. The younger and stronger will be looking to feed off of the older weaker if they can.
 
At 64 and living in Central Oregon I don't have much trouble. I also go to the gym and work out everyother day so that I at least stand errect and look other than a pushover.

I think carrying a good heavy cain is a good thing. I'd practice using it as a club if I had to haul one around. To date I don't, but that day may come.

Conceiled carry is always good, but it's a pain, and to be honest, if you actually do pop someone with your shooter you will be seriously sued in civil court and those guys can take all of your savings and then some.

If you talk with a cop you'll find that he's scared to death of actually having to shoot someone because he'll be sued too.

The courts in this country are all run by flaming liberals and they do not seem to care about our safety or our right to defend ourselves.

I don't know the solution, but never ever vote for a liberal. Even is he's a nice guy, or she's a pretty girl.
 
There's been some times I've felt outright envy at the people who live in a can carry state. But on the other hand I've made it this far without carrying, so maybe it's okay. I do know that not having a gun handy when ever I'm out and about, has made me think more about what I'm doing, and what I am carrying that can be used to good effect.

I do carry one of my blackthorn walking sticks with me everyplace. An old service injury left me with a bum wheel and a slight limp, so the stick is needed. Even if I did not have a real use for it, I'd still carry a cane or stout stick with me. I'm a big champion of the stick, as it goes everyplace with me a gun or large knife can't. Into federal buildings in Washinton D.C. and onto airlines. So far the only comments it has gotten has been admiring. The only thing airport security does is exray it to see if its solid, with no surprises inside. In the last 10 years, the blackthorn has gotten me out of a impending jam twice. There was no later repercussions, I just went on my way. I guess thats why I love a nice stick so much; It goes everplace with me, can be made on the spot out of anything, and absolutly leagal.

Even if Maryland did have a CCW, there are places I still could not carry it. We go downtown alot, to the National Gallery Of Art, The Smithsonian museums, private gallerys and museums, and events at places where there is no carrying. Redskins games and such. Untill a few years ago, my fair weather transportation was a motorcycle, and I never liked to carry on the bike. So for most of my life, the walking stick backed up by a AA minimag, a screwdriver, small lockblade that can be palmed, Cross pen, and keeping my eyes open has kept me out of trouble. With no option to grab a gun, one has to develope tactics that keep you out of trouble.

Karen and I go downtown, and eat at some of the nice resuraunts in D.C. including China town, and its actually harder to get in trouble than you think. As for most of the shootings in D.C., unless you're an African-American male, between 17 and 24 years of age, out between 11PM and 3 AM. and involved in gang activities and/or drugs, it's actually hard to get shot in Washinton. In fact, in D.C. is when I really don't feel the need for a gun.

Part of your tactics should be to keep up with the crime figures in your area. I go over the weekly crime report in the local paper, and again, it seems like you have to be out late at night, in certain area's, walking along the road. Some of the robberys here are strong arm, throwing the person down by a couple of teenage to young 20's suspects. A few of the robberies involve a knife, usually a kitchen knife to threaten and intimidate with. Very few street/parking lot muggings have a gun involved. It seems like the guns are saved for use robbing the local 7-11 and gas station late at night. So, we keep that in mind. Adjust out tactics and behavior. We don't go out at night much anyways, preffering to watch a video or two and off to bed early, so as to rise early and go out nature watching and woodswalking. Since we like the early to bed and early to rise lifestyle, it fits right into our tactics for staying out of trouble. Since we love being out in nature, and having some very nice state and county parks very close, we like to be out at dawn, either walking in the woods, or in milder weather, paddling our kayaks when its first getting light and the mist is still rising from the water. Ironicly, that is when I wish I could carry a gun. When we're off in the woods in some very secluded areas, then I feel like I'd like to have a small J frame in my pocket. I feel like there's more of a possable need then, than in the city. Gary Hilton was not the only wacko who knows you're all alone out there. So we have our tactics and tools for the woods. Things get adjusted for the surroundings.

In the woods, again it's vigilance and avoidance. Each of us has a stout hornbeam staff about lower rib high, layered with a very sharp sheath knife. Karen loves her Swedish Frosts mora, and backs it up with a little Spyderco clipped in a concealed spot. We've trained and run drills on how to deal with a violent person in the woods, and it comes down to being a team, and making the bad guy make a choice. A team always has an edge, especially if you've been together for time messured in decades, and you trust each other totally, and worked out plans for this or that. You know what to do with the tools you have because of all the work you and the better half have done on that old duffle bag stuffed with rags hanging down the basement.

Any tactics and planning has to deeply involve the better half. Without your lifes partner totally on board, its still a gamble.
 
City Stick

Carl when at Home, Florida, Glock 19 every day.

On plane, to and from Airport, in the UK, I am an Ex resident of Liverpool, the City Stick from Cold Steel, ideal, not with the Steel knob, the fiber one, it weighs nothing. But really hard, and fantastically strong, to all intents and purposes, un-breakable.

At 5'8" tall (short?) I cut 4" off it, good for leaning on, from leaning slide your hand down the shaft, 8" or so, now you have a slashing instrument par excellence! Hang a bag up with some weight inside it, practice from an instant start, surprise start, quick slashes!

A sternum strike has to be upper body weight behind the hit, not just arms.

A baseball type hit has not the weight of a bat, but this sick is very hard!

Hitting bone is much better than hitting muscle, but if that's the only target have at it, avoidance is best, but not always possible.
 
Everytime I walk out the door of a store, office, or home, take a few seconds to pause and adjust your sunglasses or hat brim, and scan around you.

As an aspiring "old fart" (I'm still just a "kid" of 58) - I loved some of the tips and comments here.

The above tactic is so simple, but often overlooked by many of us when in a hurry or otherwise distracted.

Just look up, look around, check your six - and let 'em know your not going to be a victim today.

I can't wait 'till I'm old enought to carry a cane!

Also: While I do not advocate ignoring the law - I've often wondered if it makes sense to obey laws that are inherently WRONG - that are only observed by otherwise law-abiding citizens - and that are essentially unenforceable.
 
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Heck Bob, carry it now!

As a enthusiast of walking sticks, I say carry it when you feel like it. It may feel a bit strange at first, but keep carrying it evey day till it becomes a part of you, and your persona. Practice down the basement with it, with those old army pugil stick moves, till you can do them in your sleep. Practice walking with it so it becomes part of the rythem and walk. If you feel ill at ease with it, others will pick up on that, so its very important to keep carrying it till it feels like its part of you. At 58 you must have some arthritis poping up?:scrutiny:

And I too question the blind obeying of a law that is stupid. There has been times I've had a small pocket gun when we're out in the woods. My better half and I have had very long talks on it, and she being a native born Texas gal, likes to have something along if we are off in the boonies. City is one thing, but remote woods are another. I feel its way more dangerous for us to be off in the boonies unarmed, than walking the streets of D.C.

It's a personel call.
 
City is one thing, but remote woods are another. I feel its way more dangerous for us to be off in the boonies unarmed, than walking the streets of D.C.

Carl:
As someone who spends most of my time in the wilds of Seattle - and some of my time in the wilds of North Idaho - I feel the opposite is true. But you're right - it's a personal call.

I'm gonna have to think about that stick. I must say it has a lot of appeal - although my friends will give me much grief for the "affectation". That's OK - I still hang with the same friends I had in jr high school. Guess what my first wood shop project was?

You guessed it - a walking stick! And I wore a freakin' beret with it! (At the tender age of 14 I fancied myself an "artiste".)
 
Cane sword?

Being a white bearded old fart myself, I've given the cane idea some thought and after reading comments on this thread today...even more so. One question. I've seen advertised in some printed mags walking canes with a concealed sword or knife. Any thoughts, legal or otherwise, on these?
 
Yeah, stay away from them.

Most are poor quality, easy to spot, and very illegal in most places.

There's a simple beauty in bashing a punk with a real knarley, spiky old blackthorn.

Simple beauty, yeah.:D
 
Thanks for the reply. The quality was a concern. Guess I'll use my wife's black aluminum cane until I find something I really like. Where's Bat Masterson when you need him? :)
 
When I was in Hong Kong for a while (no guns for the honest with no political contacts) I had the sometimes miserable job of looking after customers who were in town. Usually, after a few drinks, they wanted to visit the seediest bars and pick-up joints they could find. Coincidentally, my old injury would start to play up and I needed to take my old faithful walking cane along. The six inches of lead solder rod in the lower end was only to give it good balance - honest.
 
I use oak or hickory stock canes from the local farm supply store- $10- 12 each retail depending on the store- as the basis for walking sticks for family members and friends. If I have a certain person in mind I'll try and fit the thickness of the stick and the size of the hook to them. Each stick is individually made, all different thicknesses, and the thicker the stick usually the more open the hook.

I shorten the stick to fit the person- they start out at 36- 37" usually. Correct length is usually the measurement from the crease of the wrist on the inside of the arm to the floor, when the person is wearing their usual shoes, with the arm held straight down at the side. A good rubber cane tip helps keep the business end from skidding around, and does nothing to soften any other applications that might be necessary. A good sanding with fine sandpaper to smooth it out, a little judicious taper on the inside of the horn (the tip of the hook) to open up the 'bite' a little and sharpen the horn a bit, and a dozen or so coats of oil based furniture finish, and that's it.

If someone wants to be fancy I'll put on a coin badge from Lollysmith.com on the front of the cane opposite the tip of the horn, or maybe decorate it a little with a pattern of small brass tacks (I use linoleum nails set into drilled pilot holes) in the same place. These things help individualize a cane and also are useful if that part of the cane is ever used for striking in self defense.

I hang a heavy bag to teach the basics of defense with the cane- there's nothing like working out on a bag to teach people how to actually deliver blows/strikes/jabs. The most important thing is to make sure they don't telegraph the move before they make it, so the strike is delivered as a complete surprise. Simple cominations of blocks, strikes and jabs are usually easy for someone to master when you work at half speed. There are several good videos available demonstrating the use of canes in self defense, and those help get the idea across early on in the training process.

It's possible for people to injure themselves if they get too enthusiastic at first- start them slow or they risk strains or sprains from unaccustomed movements. It takes some time and practice to build up muscle strength enough to work up to full power strikes. People can practice at home on the old laundry bag full of wash, if they don't have a heavy bag handy.

I don't add any weight to a cane in any place- I have used a short piece of copper pipe scrap as a ferrule from time to time, but even that makes the cane a little harder to get moving in a hurry for a lot of people. I think getting velocity up in a hurry is more important than weight for most uses. Also, it's possible that any metal in a cane might interfere with carrying it through a metal detector. You can carry a plain wood cane with a rubber tip onto an airplane with no hassle.

The above is based on my preparing canes for several friends and family members, and teaching them some basics of using them for defense- not any big deal, just one more hobby. Others may well do things diferently, either hardware wise or software wise. As is said- YMMV. If so, please explain your own approaches and reasoning...

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Attitude and radiated confidence is what it takes. I enjoy watching the wolves select prey. I frequently sit in a McDonalds at breakfast on weekends and watch the "poor homeless waifs" in their mid to late twenties select targets to interview and hit up for "donations". I find that invariably they pick grey haired men who appear submissive in body language. Once in a while just for fun I finish up my coffee and walk out the door to the pavement around the building and make eye contact with each of the "wolves" and they slink off like coyotes. I was born in 1939 so I'm seventy this year. I fell and cut firewood all year 'round. Don't need no stinkin gym:neener:
 
Lee post 20/MPmarty post21

Gentlemen the above posts were good ones, did not know you were so talented Lee.

One area we have not covered a lot, the warm up to problems you have to be aware of.

THE THINGS TO GET! A vehicle that opens with a remote, and closes with the same wee gadget, at least have it on your next one.

The above allows you to not have to focus on a door/key hole !! big plus.

And all ready to go at the drop of a hat!
 
Lee, thanks for the links

MPMARTY, can you see it a national club of "grey Angels" righting injustices, or maybe it is just my medication
 
Somewhere in the cobweb resesses of my mind is a dim memory from the 60's. Something about some militant retired people called the Grey Panthers. They were PO'ed about something and wern't going to take it anymore.:mad:

Or maybe it's just time for my medication.:confused:
 
Yes, the Grey Panthers were effective in forcing the gov to grant them well earned status as a political force.

We, the senior citizens of this country are too silent and do not realize our political clout as a major segment of the voting public.

The generation born between 1929 and 1949 have huge numbers and should have a political representation that pushes their agenda(s).

So who's gonna do it?

And don't tell me the American Association of Retarded People please!
 
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