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It's to be expected, as the stereotype (not singling you out) is that 1911 folks are nearly ridiculously defensive of their platform of choice.
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Not offended or defensive at all. I own both the aforementioned M&P and 1911's from Colt and Brown. It is definitive :) to say they are nothing a like, nor will ever be a like. Apples and Oranges.
 
Please explain. Break weight? (The Apex D/C is right around 4lbs, IIRC, and the comp trigger is lower, but I'd have to search the specs).

Creep? Takeup? If it's "definitive" and in no way subjective, please supply the supporting information beyond how it "feels" to you. Because, how it "feels" to you is subjective, and thus cannot be "definitive."

I'm truly very interested in your numbers.
 
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I'll admit I was skeptical, but I'll try anything once. :)
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Around here, we have a shop that keeps several M&Ps with the apex competition and duty/carry triggers installed. He'll let you dry-fire them over the counter. I'd recommend you try one with live fire, but in a pinch, maybe find someone who'll let you dryfire the triggers.

IMO, the competition trigger is too light for EDC, but it is very nice. Were it not for Apex tactical, I'd still be in DA/SA land with my sigs. If I were running the games on a regular basis, I'd almost certainly buy another and equip it with the competition trigger.
 
One can form a definitive opinion. As he used the words, there's no contradiction. It's still an opinion, and tarosean never suggested otherwise. But enough with parsing each others posts and distracting from the discussion...

There's more to trigger pull than a number. A lot of it has to do with the distribution of the weight throughout the trigger pull, the smoothness, the break, etc. Which is "best" is subjective, but there are still mechanical differences that can be measured. It's certainly be interested (at least to me :p) to see a graph of trigger pull to trigger weight for various guns, and I imagine such a graph would really highlight a lot of the differences. It's just more trouble than it's worth to really measure those things and so you see people typically rely on break weight and subjective statements describing the pull.

I don't really mean to put anyone on the defensive. I have striker fired guns too and enjoy them. Their triggers can be quite nice, especially when tuned properly. Personally, I love the uber-fast reset on my G34 with the Zev ultimate kit. I just think that, speaking solely in the trigger pull department, tuned hammer-fired guns are going to beat out their striker-fired counterparts, at least in my experience (which admittedly doesn't encompass every striker-fired gun on the planet :)).

I'll definitely check out the M&P though the next time I run into someone shooting one.
 
Well, it's tough to beat Glock reset. (admission. I'm a vocal glock-hater. :p)

It's tough to beat 1911 break.

IMO, the Apex equals glock reset, and gets close to 1911 break.

When the M&Ps and XDs hit the market, I dry fired them at the counters, and borrowed them from buddies on the range. My reaction was, "these triggers feel like wet sponges soaked in sand," and decided to stick with my sigs in the face of the trend towards newfangled plastic. I wouldn't carry/use 1911s for other reasons, so Sigs, HK's etc... were pretty much all that were left to me. The Apex changed that.

There was some sentiment earlier in this thread about focus on mechanics versus function. "Hammer v. striker" etc... why does it matter?

In the end, it all comes down to putting the lead/copper flying thingy in the place you want it to go. And honestly, things like sights, ergonomics, manual of arms, and the damn near 100% subjective measure of "how well you shoot the darned thing" is probably more important than any mechanical feature unless it impacts reliability.

For me, the Apex greatly impacts "how well I shoot the darned thing," by bringing that admittedly subjective quality right down next to the 1911.

Nothing I'm saying is definitive. :)
 
Break weight?

Creep? Takeup?
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With the FSS its around 5lbs. Still too much pre/over-travel IMO. Granted it got rid of the wet noodle/spongy feel of the hinged trigger, and reset is an afterthought now.
 
In my experience, the closest I have come to a good 1911 trigger has been with the addition of the Powder River Precision "Match Easy Fit" trigger kit to my XDm 4.5 in .45 ACP. Better than the M&P with Apex (which my shooting partner has) and better than a tuned Glock. I have no pretravel to speak of, a 4 Lb. break and no overtravel with a very short reset. ;)
 
CZ, I've never heard of that trigger for the XDm. Thanks for the info. I'll keep my eye out for one, as I like the XD platform fine with the exception of the trigger. Just like the M&P.
 
I'm happy to read this thread. I've been thinking of taking the plunge and trying a striker fired pistol.
 
MistWolf, I did check out a PPQ today and it did have the best trigger pull of any striker fire gun that I ever found....
 
I have been very happy with the PPQ. No magazine safety, loaded chamber indicator does not weaken support of the case, one simple trigger pull that is crisp, no safe action trigger to finish cocking the striker, no thumb safety, easy to use mag release, ambidextrous controls. Only downside I can find is the slide release is a little too large and the stock sights are a bit fragile
 
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