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Saturno,

I care not that anyone agrees with me. I am simply trying to provoke some thought here. It seems to me that some folks are pretty narrow minded and wrapped up in their own personal little universe. I am simply suggesting that we pull our heads of the sand and look around from time to time. There is a great big world out there.

As far as the laughing goes well I am usually happy when I make a kill and depending on the circumstances there might even be a little back slapping and hooting going on. I do not believe that we should stand in reverent silence while mentally chanting incantations to help the animals crystal spirit enter the ever after. That stuff is a bunch of PC sensitive new age crap as far as I am concerned.

I don't know what was behind that deer and neither does anybody else but hopefully these guys were in a safe location.
 
I see it as wrong...simple. That said that's just my opinion. If your using a 50bmg to hunt, you're not out there for the hunt or meat, you're out there to see what kind of damage you can do to the animal. It's the idea of what they are doing and the intentions behind it. If you want to see what kind of impact can occur with a huge cartridge don't make a living creature your test dummy. Go shoot some blocks of ice or something. BTW some guys mentioned seeing larger exit wounds than that with regular hunting cartridges. I haven't seen anything close to that. You could fit a football through the exit wound. Just how I see it.
 
I have seen entrance wounds from a 300 Win Mag that looked a lot like the 50 BMG exit wound...165 Nosler Ballistic Tips at close range.

Also a few other cartridges and bullets...thats only one example.

I don't really think those guys were looking for a test dummy...they knew the 50 would kill it, I think they just wanted to do it to say they did.

There are varying degrees of using the wrong gun for the job...I don't think that any one of them is any better than the other...too big, too small, too fast, too slow, too light, too heavy...they are still the wrong tool for the job.

But if that video had shown a guy shooting a deer with a 165 Ballistic Tip from a 300 Win Mag at that distance...blowing most of the hide plumb off the shoulder area of the entrance wound...what would you guys be saying then?
 
As far as the laughing goes well I am usually happy when I make a kill and depending on the circumstances there might even be a little back slapping and hooting going on.

That's is very different than laughing hysterically at the damage you done to the animal or how the thing blew up...different mindset and attitude...just my personal thought

I don't know what was behind that deer and neither does anybody else but hopefully these guys were in a safe location.

Unless these guys were hunting in a fenced off area and totally sure that nobody was around, judging from the video it is not wise to fire a 50 BMG (or even a lesser cartridge) parallel to the ground with no reliable backstop...
 
I think people don't realize how little damage a .50 will do when it zips in and out through a behind-the-shoulder shot.

High fives for shooting a deer? What else was my dad supposed to give me?

High fives for what it does to the deer? Let's see....

"Dude, I found a cherry bomb."

"Holy crap, seriously? What can we blow up?"

"Frog?"

"I'm game."

Scale the situation up or down. It's human nature to enjoy large displays of power and how they effect things. Ever poured salt on a slug? Ever lit ants on fire with a magnifying glass? Ever thought "Man, my personal HD shotgun could blow a HUGE hole in some BG!"?

Give the guys a break. If it had been a .338 Win Mag, or heck even a .300 Win Mag, and they had acted the same way this wouldn't have been such a big deal. But oh no, it's the mighty .50 BMG, which we all know will tear a man completely in half.

I'm up for using any gun in any caliber to hunt with. Know your limits. These guys did know their limits and they made a clean shot.
 
Some interesting thoughts here. If it is wrong to shoot a deer with a .50 BMG round is it also wrong to shoot a coyote with a .257 Weatherby which will do major explosive damage?


How about a .300 Weatherby on a Pronghorn? Is that wrong too?

What I am seeing here with these .50 BMG to big statements is an emotional response much like what we see in the media. The .50 is a huge, dangerous, evil weapon, a "sniper gun".

So in your opinions should we outlaw the .50 since it can't be used for hunting?
 
I agree that my reactions may have been a bit over the top, and appreciate the thought-invoking conversation H&H, but it is still my personal opinion that those guys weren't out there for the hunt, they were out there to see what kind of damage a .50 could do. You're right that many of the .30 mag cartridges can create an exit wound like that, depending on bullet-type, but I don't think the people using those do so because of the wound size. Additionally, I don't think that we should have a moment of silence for the deer or any kind of emotional tribute, but rather just appreciate that we are allowed to hunt those animals and take it for what it is. Plain and simple, the only real problem I have is their attitude and reasoning behing using the 50 cal.
 
Our forefathers used 50 cal rifles to kill people and wild game...SO?....They were so hungry, I bet they didn't have time for "High Fives"......just kiddin...!
 
pwillie, 'high fives' were not invented yet when our forefathers were running thier 50s.
They exchanged enthusiastic regular fives as was common practice in the ole days
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If your using a 50bmg to hunt, you're not out there for the hunt or meat, you're out there to see what kind of damage you can do to the animal.

I have to agree with Blackops. Sure, there are always "too much gun" guys out there who think a 7mm mag is overkill, and guys like me who love a good magnum rifle, but this was definitely done to see how much damage it would do to a live animal, no doubt about it. That was the motive behind their actions

I don't think making moral judgments on someone's character is necessary in this situation though. Some people shoot things I wouldn't shoot. Some people use calibers to shoot things that I wouldn't use. Doesn't mean they are wrong and I am right all the time. Some have a clean conscience about it, others don't. More of a personal choice than anything. Such is the nature of freedom.

No laws were broken, no one was hurt or taken advantage of. I'm not going to be the one to condemn him.
 
Z: You did see the just "kiddin"?,my concern is the peta folks using the video's as a message...a good old fashioned hand shake is acceptable. I only take animals I plan to eat,don't kill anything else. Use a spear,are any means your comfortable with.Dead is dead,doesn't matter how you do it!
 
i agree that this is probably ovekill and in my personal opinion is a bit on the stupid side. However people tell me that my 7mm mag is too much for deer on occasion and i say to each his own.


For the record, between my dad, a buddy of his and myself ive seen ALOT of things killed with a 7 and never ever ever seen an exit anywhere close to that carnage.
 
RSVT, I too must play the devil's advocate:


It is obvious those folks are just using the 50 to stroke their egos and "blow a big hole in something".

That, in my humble opinion, is idiotic and cruel.

I don't think it's obvious at all that they are JUST (using your word) doing this to blow a big hole in something - I think they are ALSO ya know, HUNTING! Where you make a kill and eat the meat. I would agree with you if that's JUST (or all that) what they were doing. But I'd venture a guess they they ate the meat just like any other hunter. Don't suppose you have any evidence that they didN'T eat the meat, do ya? No, of course not. So it's NOT obvious. And if they were hunting, but also wanted to see how a certain caliber acts upon a living target, for curiosities sake, it may be a bit odd, but there's nothing wrong with that, provided that it's ethical. This was most certainly ethical; if anything, ethical to the max extreme with such a large effective caliber.

They used a rifle more suited for disabling vehicles than hunting, and at a range of what, 100 yards?

So what? It's not unethical. It's far more humane and ethical than from a longer distance.

To go back to my prior statement, they are doing it just for the sake of grins, and I don't feel like killing anything "just for grins" is right.

So you don't have a new point; you're going back to your (now-refuted) first point.


I'm a hunter, but I don't just indiscriminately shoot stuff with the biggest gun I have so I can show it off on the internet.

Where do you draw the line? The 2nd biggest gun you have? The 3rd biggest?


Of course I have. Just last year I took a 10-pointer at 170 yards with my scoped .454 Casull FA83.

Ha. I got news for you - a *good* argument could be made that what YOU did is far far more unethical than what these guys were doing, shooting a dadgummed handgun at a much farther range than is ethical for a limited range weapon. The ONLY reason someone would do that with a handgun instead of a rifle is simply to show off, to try to be a macho man - I'll bet you even laughed. In fact, only show-off macho men would use a .454 when everyone knows that a .44 mag will do the job just fine (see, how's it feel to be judged?).

I have hunted most anything in my area with success, I just don't get all giddy with excitement when I kill something just because I "blew that thing away!"

Well, to each his own - some people are more excitable than others - just because he was noting the incredible damage done with the chosen weapon doesn't necessarily make him a cat torturer/serial killer.

I wouldn't say "exactly perfectly", he hit it pretty far back in my opinion.

So he wasn't the greatest shot - maybe he knew that and that's why he used a bigger-than-normal caliber.

And since he was using a gun that, by shear necessity due to recoil, was surely wearing an uber-dollar Swarovski scope or the like, I really don't think it was that great of a shot given the mild distance.

Exactly. Hence the bigger gun. Smart hunter if you ask me. Better than some dipstick who is undergunned and overconfident.


My problem is that it portrays hunters and sportsmen in a bad light to other people outside the sport.

Maybe, if they have unenlighted attitudes like yours. But that's chicken & egg. We'll win the illogicals & antis over one person at a time. First the actual hunting FUDD antis like yourself, then average person, then the PETAs.

It makes us all look like dumbass rednecks who just wanna "blow some shi* away" for the sake of pulling the trigger.

Not any more than people using handguns on animals at extreme distances. See, your ONLY problem it appears, is with posting it on youtube, not any of the acts themselves. So would you feel the same way if you posted your own 170 yd .454 shot on youtube? Would you feel that YOU are contributing to make hunters look like dumbbutts? Because if you WOULD, then maybe you have a point. If you WOULDN'T, then you're incorrect, because the exact same type of criticism can be leveled at you.


Frankly, i don't really care about the deer,

I'm sorry to hear that, because I do, and this one died just about as humanely as you can ask for, short of a CNS shot.

Sheesh, with 'friends' like these....
 
Seems to me we have a bald man fallacy here. At what point does the gun become idiot and cruel on deer? .308? .300 Win mag? .375 H&H? .416 Rigby? 600 Nitro?
 
Seems to me we have a bald man fallacy here. At what point does the gun become idiot and cruel on deer? .308? .300 Win mag? .375 H&H? .416 Rigby? 600 Nitro?

Me thinks it's just the opposite. These big boomers generally cause more rapid therefore more painless death. They are less "cruel" than using not enough gun where the chance of wounding is higher. I'd much rather be hit with a 105MM HE shell than to be gut shot and left to die slowly with a .22 mag. Even if my corpse would be better looking after the .22 episode.

To me the not enough gun column is much easier to identify than the too much side.
 
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Me thinks it's just the opposite. These big boomers generally cause more rapid there fore more painless death.
I fully agree with you. Using a .50BMG on deer is certainly less cruel than using too little gun. Overkill? Sure. But so is the .30-06.
 
I already hunt with a .50, but it is just a blackpowder Knight.
If/when I ever own a .50bmg, I think I would like to take it hunting. I realize that, by just saying this, causes some prejudice individuals to come to a conclusion as to the motivations for doing so, but you're be flat out wrong. That type of close-minded bias is your flaw.
 
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One thing is certain,I know what my 300 Weatherby is capable of doing. I would not spend the money on a 50 caliber anything,for deer hunting. I only use the 300 when I hunt bean fields.
 
I don't think too many folks are arguing the "killing power" of the .50, its the reaction of the "hunters" and the fact that they felt compelled to post their video for all the world to see. I dont' want some bozos representing the sport that I love in that manner. These types of backslapping hillbillies could eventually cost me my right to my favorite pastime. If ya want to jump up and down, hoot and holler, jump on its back and ride it like a saddle bronc until it takes its last breath, have at it, just don't put it on the internet.
 
I dunno why folks get all upset over the size of a cartridge. A very high percentage of varmint hunters are well-acquainted with the term "Red Mist". What's the comparative size and destruction in shooting prairie dogs with a .220 Swift or equivalent?

There is a whole industry out there for Red Mist posters, tee-shirts and videos. Never seen, (First picture) "This is your cat." (Red mist picture) "This is your cat on hollowpoints."?

Or shoot a close-up jackrabbit with an 80-grain bullet from an '06 at near 4,000 ft/sec: You kill, gut, skin and butcher in one swell foop.
 
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