Stand_Watie
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Lately I'd been wanting another mouse gun, just for plinking and such, and wished they had a kel-tec in .22 caliber. Another post made me think about the berreta bobcat. Any thoughts?
super small/light kit/trail .22?
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belton-deer-hunter
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not a bobcat but...
a friend of mine has abear cat that i have heard great things about comes in .32 caliber great little gun
a friend of mine has abear cat that i have heard great things about comes in .32 caliber great little gun
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I second the Firestorm/Bersa. I've got an older model with a steel frame, and it is a fine piece. The aluminum will definately help with carry.
I like the Beretta Bobcat, but the Firestorm gives you a lot more gun for the money.
I like the Beretta Bobcat, but the Firestorm gives you a lot more gun for the money.
Black Majik
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Walther P22
Cortland
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I'll third the Firestorm 22. I have one and it's the perfect plinker and a steal at $200. Magazines are expensive, however.
Gordon
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Find a Beretta Jaguar .22.
CajunBass
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Another one for the Bersa Firestorm 22. Good gun, good price.
Glad to see the Bersa getting some love for once.
I have one of the older all steel .22s that I shoot more than any other gun I own. It is just so nice and small. It is accurate and reliable and holds the same amount of ammo as my Ruger MKII. Mags are not that expensive and are not as hard to find as you might think. They are more expensive than the Ruger mags but not much more than the Browning Buckmark mags.
I also have one of the newer alloy frame Thunders in .22lr. It too is a nice gun. The reduced weight means you would carry it more often. I also have a Beretta Bobcat in .22lr. It is reliable not not nearly as accuract as the Bersas. It is not a plinker because you can't hit much past 25'. I can hit a tin can out to about 25' with it and that is it. I can hit tin cans with the Bersa out past 25 yards with ease.
I think the Bersa is as small as you would want to go and still have an accurate gun. If you don't care about accuracy, you can go smaller.
I have one of the older all steel .22s that I shoot more than any other gun I own. It is just so nice and small. It is accurate and reliable and holds the same amount of ammo as my Ruger MKII. Mags are not that expensive and are not as hard to find as you might think. They are more expensive than the Ruger mags but not much more than the Browning Buckmark mags.I also have one of the newer alloy frame Thunders in .22lr. It too is a nice gun. The reduced weight means you would carry it more often. I also have a Beretta Bobcat in .22lr. It is reliable not not nearly as accuract as the Bersas. It is not a plinker because you can't hit much past 25'. I can hit a tin can out to about 25' with it and that is it. I can hit tin cans with the Bersa out past 25 yards with ease.
I think the Bersa is as small as you would want to go and still have an accurate gun. If you don't care about accuracy, you can go smaller.
Stand_Watie
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Just as a clarification, I have a Ruger 22/45 which is a fine target/plinking gun, and a bearcat (my daughter's actually, but since she's 9 I get to borrow it whenever I want
) which I like except for the sights.
This particular pistol that I want would be a 'grab and go' gun, not for specifically hunting, or plinking, just something I put on anytime I head into the woods or field for whatever and forget I have it unless I want to murder a coke can or something. The kel-tec .380 I have is the only pistol I've ever had (except for a raven) that is the right size for what I wanted.
Incidentally, I'm not going to be shooting at anything small at great distances with it, and in my hands, my kel-tec seems to group as nicely at 15 yards as my bersa thunder. The Firestorm is similar in size/weight to the Thunder isn't it?
) which I like except for the sights.This particular pistol that I want would be a 'grab and go' gun, not for specifically hunting, or plinking, just something I put on anytime I head into the woods or field for whatever and forget I have it unless I want to murder a coke can or something. The kel-tec .380 I have is the only pistol I've ever had (except for a raven) that is the right size for what I wanted.
Incidentally, I'm not going to be shooting at anything small at great distances with it, and in my hands, my kel-tec seems to group as nicely at 15 yards as my bersa thunder. The Firestorm is similar in size/weight to the Thunder isn't it?
Cortland
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They're basically the same gun. There are small differences (squared vs. rounded trigger guard, slide serrations ,etc.) but pretty much everything is interchangable. I'd like to know the purpose of the two brands -- they're both made by Bersa and both imported by SGS ...
If you just want a plinker and not a back up gun that's easily concealed I'd get the Bersa .22. If you want something that's easy to carry in your front pocket, the Beretta 21A Bobcat is ideal. I posted about the Bobcat and its been a great little shooter and goes with me everywhere. I already have three Ruger .22's, a Benelli target .22 and a CZ Kadet Kit, so paper punchers/plinkers abound, but YMMV. If its your only .22, I'd get the Bersa.
otomik
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I got a Bersa Firestorm .22lr, it's real picky and only cycles reliably with the hottest ammo. I don't regret getting the Firestorm but now that I just bought a Beretta 92SB Compact and really appreciate the classic blued finish and wood grips I think rather than the Firestorm, I should have saved up for the Beretta 87 Cheetah (non-target) which has a better look, slightly longer sight radius and lighter weight. The Beretta 87 barrel is removable, and the Bersa Firestorm's is pinned, so I probably couldn't equip a silencer either, bummer.
The more I look at it I come to the conclusion the Bersa .380 is the cheaper alternative to the superior Sig-Sauer P-230 and the Bersa .22lr is the cheaper alternative to the Beretta 87 Cheetah.
and the Beretta bobcat isn't a bad gun, it's just not what you're looking for in this case.
The more I look at it I come to the conclusion the Bersa .380 is the cheaper alternative to the superior Sig-Sauer P-230 and the Bersa .22lr is the cheaper alternative to the Beretta 87 Cheetah.
and the Beretta bobcat isn't a bad gun, it's just not what you're looking for in this case.
I know all the talk has been about autos, but have you handled a Ruger Bearcat? Small, light, fun to shoot - a real classic. The one I had years ago was pretty accurate at coke can distances, and the new ones have a transfer bar so you can safely carry with the cylinder fully loaded. Just another thought.
Stand_Watie
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wrangler5 said:
Got one for my daughter last Christmas. Sweet as can be. This ones for me though
If they came in double action with a 2.5 inch barrel, I'd be getting that instead of the small autoloader.
Gordon
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The Beretta Jaguar or the 70 Series is THE lightest compact reliable accurate piece ever made. People were stupid not to have bought them by the millions! The Mossad used them for years to kill nasty terrorists , did I mention they aren't jam a matics like the other small .22's are(PPK ect.). These are medium/small size SA .22lr that weigh a pound with the short 3.5" Barrel and 18oz with the 6" barrel. I have one from the very early 60s that has BOTH barrel. It will shoot 2" at 25 yards with the 6" barrel. It is my third and last Jaguar. I like the 6" barrel for hiking for the increased velocity/ accuracy. The short barrel tucks in a pocket though. Go back to the parimeters your post specified and there is no other gun ever made that comes close to the Beretta Jaguar!
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Preacherman
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In a revolver, I highly recommend the S&W 317 - 8 rounds in a J-frame lightweight snubnose, with 2" or 3" barrel. As a cheaper alternative, Taurus makes their Model 94 in a snub-nose configuration, too, but the ones I've shot don't hold a candle to the S&W's quality.
In a pistol, the Bersa's not bad, but I like (and use) the short-barrel Walther P22. They've been very reliable for me, provided that I use ammo that they like, and they're plenty accurate enough for trail use.
In a pistol, the Bersa's not bad, but I like (and use) the short-barrel Walther P22. They've been very reliable for me, provided that I use ammo that they like, and they're plenty accurate enough for trail use.
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