Supersonic .22s w/ Suppressor: Worth it?

[Panzerschwein]

Is it worth getting an integrally-suppressed barrel for my 10/22 if I with be mainly shooting supersonic ammo out of it? I plan to make a rifle inspired by the suppressed 10/22s the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) uses for violent demonstration crowd control.

I plan to use the rig for target shooting at the range, preferably to 150 yards and beyond. Since it's a 10/22, I know they don't tend to run with subsonic ammo.

How much less noise will an integrally-suppressed .22 rifle make when using supersonic high velocity ammo over one with no suppressor? My buddy just recently got a suppressor so I plan to have him help me get one and this is the project I had in mind, but if it's not worth it then I won't.

Thanks!

 

[Elkins45]

Two things:

My 10/22 works fine with standard velocity ammo. Both the regular one and the 10" SBR.

Many of the integral guns are ported so that enough pressure gets bled off to lower normally supersonic ammo to subsonic speeds.

 

[Gtscotty]

I can't help with the discussion on integrals, as my suppressors are of the standard, removable variety. For the record though, I only run subsonic (or "standard velocity" ) ammunition through my 10/22, and it cycles fine both with and without a suppressor attached. I wouldn't assume, right out the gate that a 10/22 won't cycle standard velocity ammo. If this would be your first .22 suppressor, I'd really reconsider just getting a normal removable one... There are a lot of good options out there now, most are pretty short and light, won't mess up the handling of most rifles, and can be moved to any number of other rimfires.

 

[Ryanxia]

Hopefully someone will chime in with some data but I think you'll get a decent sound reduction even out of supersonic rounds and at least having the suppressor on there you'll have the option to run subsonic rounds if you want (or if your friends want).

The look you are going for definitely calls for an integrated suppressor but maybe it would be worth doing two tax stamps and doing a short barrel rifle with a longer separate suppressor so you can still kind of get that look and also have other options. Maybe not.

 

[jmorris]

I don't have any 10/22's that won't run with subsonic .22 ammunition.

There are a number of them that are subsonic at "standard" velocities.

They won't run with stuff like the SSS Aguila ammo but then again they also tumble out of many barrels too, not a good thing for using a suppressor with.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Your .22 should be ear-safe regardless. Is that worth it to you?

Is the integral ported? I have the Thompson Machine Operative B which is mildly ported. It is designed to take 40gr CCI mini-mags and similar ammo from about 1235 to 1030 fps. Most high-velocity .22 is in the 1230-1290 range. The main advantage of a ported barrel is shooting cheap ammo (and most plated ammo is high velocity too). They make barrels for the 10/22. Another one I have shot is the YHM integral sensor which is not ported and you have your choice of supersonic or subsonic ammo. Standard velocity .22LR is a bit transonic except in hot weather and supersonic in winter weather. Cheap ammo with a high standard deviation will occasionally give you an unexpected supersonic pop.

Good non-ported option (I've shot this one on a toggle-bolt 10-22): http://yhm.net/10-22-integrally-suppressed-barrels-1423.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX_SHl25_Xg (I find the tone a bit metallic but it is rated as 121dB for CCI standard--1070 fps).
Good ported option (I have not shot this exact model but own a different model from the same company): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvoLkdLmdtg

This is the one I own: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cgwsGNDYsg absurdly quiet but between length and diameter, there is about 38% more internal volume to work with. The comparison to opening a soda can is right on.

Mike

 

[jmorris]

Here you go, grabbed one of my 10/22's, first two shots are 36g that go supersonic, the next two are 40gn and are subsonic, the last shot I took the can off.

http://vid664.photobucket.com/album...loads/VID_20160915_134945_244_zpss9yr7ajo.mp4

Here is another one with an unsuppressed .22, can you tell what two rounds are the supersonic ones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIOcNNcLxnU

If you want one that makes "Hollywood" quite seem loud a non semiauto is best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXMYpYFZ8c

 

[MauserHSCman]

Suppressed 10-22?

My 10-22 Carbine is the only firearm I use without ear protection. Even with hyper-velocity ammo I do not feel the need. My Colt New Frontier Buntline (7" bbl) .22 is a different story. I need my muffs on to shoot it with standard velocity .22, to say nothing of 22WMR.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Here you go, grabbed one of my 10/22's, first two shots are 36g that go supersonic, the next two are 40gn and are subsonic, the last shot I took the can off.

http://vid664.photobucket.com/album...loads/VID_20160915_134945_244_zpss9yr7ajo.mp4

Here is another one with an unsuppressed .22, can you tell what two rounds are the supersonic ones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIOcNNcLxnU

If you want one that makes "Hollywood" quite seem loud a non semiauto is best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXMYpYFZ8c

Wow very cool! Thank you for the video!

There is indeed a sound difference.

I have been researching more into integrally suppressed barrels. I did not know that they essentially produced handgun velocities, at least most of them do. Since I desire to shoot at longer range, I might just go with an external suppressor instead. Still doing research...

 

[pintler]

I'm no expert at all, but if you're interested in accuracy at long (for 22LR) ranges, you may want to be using lower velocity ammo anyway for accuracy reasons. The HV stuff can have accuracy issues as it slows through the subsonic range. This might make the sound issue moot.

Again, not an expert, but something you might want to research.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

That is why match ammo is subsonic. It's also lead because a single component in more uniform than 2-component.

Mike

 

[highline_56]

I myself wouldn't limit myself to just an integral suppressed barrel. And instead, look at many of the removable ones for other hosts in the future.

 

[Gtscotty]

Yep, if I were wanting to shoot .22 at longer ranges with some kind of accuracy, I'd be focused on standard velocity (subsonic) ammo because there is no transonic transition to potentially affect stability. I've shot my suppressed .22's out to 300 yds with subsonic ammo. The amount of drop is incredible, high velocity ammo is only 100 fps faster and slows quickly, so the drop won't be much different.

Much of the sound from a high velocity .22 out of a rifle is the sonic crack, suppressing it removes the muzzle blast and makes it somewhat quieter, but it's nowhere near as quiet as subsonic .22 through a good can.

 

[jmorris]

22's out to 300 yds with subsonic ammo. The amount of drop is incredible,

About 156" or 13.5ft.